June 24, 2025

Life By Design with Bill Zujewski

Life By Design with Bill Zujewski
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Life By Design with Bill Zujewski
Life By Design with Bill Zujewski

Send us a text Bill Z is the founder of Good Life, LLC, and creator of the Life By Design System and Zen Score app. He shares his journey from a successful career in tech to helping people achieve purposeful and balanced lives through his Life Score system. The discussion spans the importance of health, purposeful living, and the power of relationships. Bill introduces his scoring system that assesses key life areas to help individuals identify strengths and weaknesses and offers actionable a...

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Bill Z is the founder of Good Life, LLC, and creator of the Life By Design System and Zen Score app. He shares his journey from a successful career in tech to helping people achieve purposeful and balanced lives through his Life Score system. The discussion spans the importance of health, purposeful living, and the power of relationships. Bill introduces his scoring system that assesses key life areas to help individuals identify strengths and weaknesses and offers actionable advice to improve overall well-being. Ideal for anyone feeling stuck or looking to enhance their life quality.

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We're happiest when we're making progress.

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So if you have something you want to do or goal and you're, and you feel like you're making progress on it, you're, you just feel happier.

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Yeah.

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Like I have a night where I go to bed and I got nothing done that day.

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I'm like, miserable.

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I'm like, shit, how did I let this day go by?

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Welcome to the Wayfinder Show with Louis Hernandez, where guests discussed the why and how of making changes that led them down a more authentic path or allowed them to level up in some areas of their life.

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Welcome back to the Wayfinder Show.

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I'm your host, Louis Hernandez, and today's guest is Bill Z.

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Bill or also known as Bill Z.

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Yes.

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Bill is the, yeah.

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He is the founder of Good Life, LLC, creator of Life By Design, the Life by Design System, and the Zen Score app, and he's also the author of What's Your Life Score?

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After a successful career in tech with companies like Oracle and Tulip, bill shifted to.

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His focus to helping people live with purpose and balance his life score system based on eight key life areas, guides, people to design a life that's intentional and not accidental.

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Bill, welcome to the Wayfinder Show.

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Thank you, Louise.

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I'm psyched to be here.

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It should be a great show.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I'm excited to have you.

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And we're also yeah I love having people from back home.

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As our listeners know, I'm from Rhode Island and you're from right next door to Massachusetts.

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It's good to have, i'm,

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I'm right outside of Boston, big Boston sports fan.

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Got three boys.

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We're lucky.

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It's a great sports town.

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It really is, man.

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It's, you don't realize it till you leave.

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Like how spoiled.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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How spoiled

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are

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you?

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Yeah.

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And then you go somewhere and you can go other places I've lived now can go for decades without a year.

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Then you always have a good team in Boston that, yeah.

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Not to pile on, but I'm also a Yukon grad, so my Yukon Husky.

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Oh yeah.

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Our strong basketball program as well.

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So I'm pretty spoiled.

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They came back.

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Yeah.

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When I was a kid.

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I remember they were like a dominant force and anyone for many years without really competing, but now they're back in full force, right?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Excellent.

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Bill tell us I'm going to start a little bit different.

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You were in the corporate world

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Yeah.

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And you left to become, to create the good life.

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Yeah.

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So that kind of insinuates that the corporate world is not the good life.

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Tell us why you did this.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, so for 25 plus years.

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I had the corporate job.

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I was fortunate to land in software right outta college, which, is lucky in, in that I had some skills around programming, analytics, and it's a great place to be the last 25 years, right?

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Software was eaten the world.

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So I did well there.

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And was able to have a nice, balanced life, raise my family and stuff, but Sutton was still missing.

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So I really wanted to do something that was mine, but also gave me more financial freedom to, and more, actually, I should take that time, freedom to do whatever I want, right?

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And to work with whoever I wanted and hire the people I wanted.

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And that was part of changing, I met a couple friends about seven years ago.

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They were starting this Green Business Bureau startup, and they needed marketing help.

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I said, you know what?

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I'm done with kind of managing 70 people and million dollar operational budgets.

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Let's do something fresh and new.

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We did that Green Business Bureau startup sold that a few years ago.

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Now I'm doing my own.

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I bootstrapped this good life.

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The Good Life Company.

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I'm the a hundred percent owner.

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It's a software company that's just gonna help people get good at life'cause life's hard.

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And I've created some software tools, mobile apps to help people.

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Okay what does that mean to be good at life though?

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Yeah, it sounds like you were good at it.

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You had a great career and Yeah.

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What does that mean?

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Yeah, so good at life, right?

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So I think obviously it's being, becoming healthy, happy, fulfilled, all those things that you think of someone living the good life and maybe financially, independent as well.

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All those things.

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So for me, it came down to.

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Not just balance.

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'cause when people think balance, they think, okay, work and non-work.

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I'm really talking about a bigger pie.

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Some people call it the wheel of life.

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I actually have this acronym in my book and in my software called Help Grow based on the eight categories you, so you're looking at your health, you're looking at your environment, the EL for leisure, P for purpose, G for growth, R for relationships, O for occupation, W for wealth.

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Those are the eight areas you wanna invest in time.

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So you want to get good in wealth.

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There's 15 things I documented, save 10% of your paycheck.

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Have an IRA have a six, six month rainy day fund.

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Stay diver like.

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And then if you wanna have can you,

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I'm sorry, I'm gonna, can you go through those again real quick?

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Wealth?

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Yeah.

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Let's go through help, help grow.

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So spell out, you could on your pad spell out help.

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H-E-L-P-G-R-W.

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Oh help.

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H is for health.

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E for environment.

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Leisure is LP for purpose.

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So that's the help part.

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And then G for growth, R for relationships, O for occupation, and W is for wealth.

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And it's fun.

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I go back 20 years.

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I used to create a little spreadsheet in December.

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Around New Year's and look back at those eight areas, how did I do last year with my relationships, with my career, with my wealth, and what do I want to do next year?

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So it became a little routine for me to do this like scorecard.

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And that's what turned into my company.

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I now built a software version of a life score.

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Yeah.

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That's pretty interesting there.

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What you, so I'm assuming like family would fall under relationships.

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Yes.

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Really?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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In fact, relationships is the most important factor in a.

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Healthy long life.

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Yeah.

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Some of my core framework is based on this book called The Good Life from these two Harvard professors.

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I don't know if you heard about the study they did of these 3000 families.

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Yeah.

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Over eight years.

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And by far the biggest indicator.

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Of happiness, fulfillment in a longer life by 10 years was the people around you, your partner, your family, and your friends in your circle.

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If you had the right people around you, you outlived and were much healthier.

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Yeah.

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You know what's interesting about that?

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I a couple of weeks back I was at the Berkshire Hathaway annual meeting Oh yeah.

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And where Warren Buffet said, he was stepping down.

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So it's his last annual meeting.

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Yeah.

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And I've been going for years.

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I go every year.

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And and this one was very in what really stood out more than anything to me was just this.

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Just that he just kept talking over and over about his relationships in life and how important that is.

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And if you find somebody good that in your life, you hold onto them, yeah.

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And develop that as much as possible.

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And he said that, he just kept saying that over and over, like that is the, that is real wealth.

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That is real, really the good life more than anything.

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Here's a guy who sits up there, drinks two cans of Coke.

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Yeah.

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Goes and eats a Big Mac on the way home and

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Yeah.

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You know what

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It health, he doesn't define that way.

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It's all about his relationships.

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I know.

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And he's a testament.

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So two things on Warren Buffet.

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'cause I'm a big fan.

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I listened.

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I've never been in person, so that, that's amazing.

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Yeah.

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But I look at him and I'm like.

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Holy shit.

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The guy's 95 and still with it.

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Like I got another 30, 40 good years in me.

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I can't just retire and do nothing for the next 30 something years.

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Yeah.

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But he has my best quote for him, and I use it in my book is, you talk about how would you measure success in someone's life?

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And he says, the best indicator at the end of your life is how many people love you.

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That's

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brilliant, right?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Like that to me, that tells you what kind of life a person had.

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Yeah.

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Wow.

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Yeah.

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That's powerful.

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There's so many great quotes that come from him.

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Yeah.

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No, I know.

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Smart, smart guy that sum it well.

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That's why he's a billionaire.

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He is a smart guy.

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Yeah.

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And that's the funny thing about it.

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I think everybody gets drawn to him because he's he takes these big concepts and break'em, breaks'em down.

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So in, in such digestible ways with these quotes that, you can write.

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A book of them.

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There have been many, but.

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I think at the end of the day, that's why we all go to this and we think we're gonna learn how to be rich right.

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In, in, in a financial way.

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But then you hear and you realize, you leave there at the end of the weekend and you just feel so wholesome and good and hardly learned anything about wealth building in a, it really does become number one about the relationships and Yeah, and that's why I've always kept going back, just people I met years ago go there once a year to see them again and that.

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That relationship gets bigger and stronger and we invest together and what have you.

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And it just compounds like what he talks about and it just naturally, organically, it's pretty amazing.

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Yeah, it is.

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It is.

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It is amazing.

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And people say, oh, you have your personal life and your work life.

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Some of my best friends are people I work with over the years.

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Yeah.

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Friends you wanna work with people you like,

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totally.

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He does.

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He loves the people around him.

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Yeah.

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And if he did it, they'd be out of there

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a hundred percent.

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Oh yeah.

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Yeah.

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And it's not a lot of people he works with either, which is really shocking.

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With all of the companies that Berkshire owns, I think it's over 700,000 employees I've read.

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And in his corporate office is 12 people.

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That's crazy.

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Isn't that wild?

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Yeah.

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Doesn't he still drive a Honda or something stupid like that too?

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It's

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I don't know.

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We went to his house and looked we went to his house and we did look through, and I'm trying to remember what the cars that were there were, but they, they definitely weren't like Bentleys or anything very fancy.

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Oh, yeah.

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There was a lot of, guards watching the people there.

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But yeah, that weekend it gets bombarded, yeah.

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Yeah.

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Anyways, you know what about so clearly you, you have that as number one and kudos to you.

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Obviously, if the Oracle of Omaha says that, then you guys are in full alignment which says a lot about you.

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But what about what would you say is the most neglected?

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Let's see.

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Probably, everyone spends way too much on, on their wealth part and their career part.

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I think unfortunately health and especially for the younger people is neglected.

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They just take it for granted.

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As you get older, you can't you have to unless you're healthy and have energy, you can light.

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Life sucks, right?

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Yeah.

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So you gotta take care of that and people don't realize how they either have the wrong diet.

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Don't have their heart's not in good condition.

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They're overweight.

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And that leads into spill over into poor performance and all these other areas in your life.

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So I, I would say don't forget about your health.

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Start there.

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Okay.

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I now,'cause I'm older, I'm in my fifties, so I got my routine.

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I do my stretch.

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Yeah.

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On the Peloton bike, I do some weights, right?

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And it helps burn off stress by the way, but also gets the blood flowing and energy going.

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Yeah, I've I'm gonna ask you next about environment, but it leads into, I.

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It before that with health.

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I find that having lived in different parts of the country now and just being a student of communities and societies and what have you I feel like the emphasis on health can often vary based on like where you live, right?

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Like here in America in general, I think we have much less emphasis on health.

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It's all quick fix in general, but then even within America, we have areas of the country that are just so much.

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Less attuned to health concerns.

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I

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couldn't agree more.

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I think the stereotype, unfortunately, the, the fat Americans when you go travel in Europe is totally here.

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And it's healthy, small portions, healthy food, not processed.

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It's not that they eat differently, but they eat healthier.

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Definitely.

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So that's part of their, just.

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Fabric in a lot of countries and it's not here.

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Yeah.

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Sure.

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I've given this little testimonial before where a, a couple years now, I went to Japan and I remember I hadn't had a burger in months'cause I was training for something and finally I had one after my event there.

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And, and it felt great.

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It was delicious.

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Absolutely delicious.

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I could've, as an American I wanted more, right?

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Yeah.

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But I did, I had one and it tasted great, felt great the whole time.

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Then I get back and I land in LAX to transfer back to Denver and LAX.

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There was one of those fufu gov.

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Gourmet burger places.

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And I go and I'm like, oh, another burger.

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I want one.

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And I, and I, first of all, I paid five times as much as I paid in Japan.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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But then I get it and the grease is falling off the bun and dripping down my fingers.

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And I have and within a half an hour of eating it, I just felt like crap.

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Yeah.

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And that right there goes to show you just the difference.

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Yeah.

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I agree.

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It's amazing.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Schism, it's what it takes to drive sales so that, they drive the advertising of these products,

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and you

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crave them and they're delicious, they're not good for you.

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No.

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And you can feel it now.

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So Yeah.

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Especially as we get older you feel it right away.

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Tell us a little bit about environment.

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What what does that mean?

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So it's actually, home environment because, okay, but that would kill my help grow spelling, right?

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I needed that e so I, I went with a home environment.

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But you're home.

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You spend so much time at home, right?

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If you don't have a place to relax, to unwind where you feel safe or where you could entertain your friends and or maybe you're living in a place where like you're in Denver and you I mean it's beautiful country there, right?

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Yeah.

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Chose to live there.

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Like some people are miserable where they live or too cold or, so there's a lot of elements to the environment.

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It starts with your house, your commute, your weather, and then how you take care of your home.

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Like clutter.

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You go in some houses like we're really anal in my house.

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Like we love having it very clean'cause it's just, it doesn't bog down the mind of things to do.

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Yeah.

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It.

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So there are a lot of best practices really around just having a comfortable, relaxing home that you love.

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It's part of life.

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Yeah.

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One of, one of the eight slices.

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Yeah.

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That's good.

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I also noticed you have a distinction between purpose and occupation.

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And I only, it caught my eye because I think a lot of us, especially as Americans, we define ourselves by our occupation.

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Yeah.

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It almost becomes our purpose.

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And so you, it shows, you're a very deep thinker in this to distinguish the two.

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Can you talk a little bit about that?

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Yeah, no, sure.

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I think in your twenties I think maybe that should be your purpose, right?

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You're just starting out.

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You need to build a career and expertise and so that's fine.

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But then for me, it quickly flipped to my wife and then my family.

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Like my family got me out of bed in the morning'cause I was so excited to.

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Do stuff that would contribute to a great family life, right?

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Taking'em on vacation and paying for their tuitions and all.

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So that became my purpose.

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And now I've launched four kids and I feel like I just want to, I've been really lucky.

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I just wanna give back now help other people who need help.

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I'm mentoring probably like a dozen, 20 year olds that have been interns for me or my

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kids friends.

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So now purpose has become giving back to people.

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I donate the causes.

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There's so many people who haven't, I'm been pretty healthy, but, things like cancer and ms.

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I don't mind trying to give back for those things.

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So I, I think purpose evolves as you get older.

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And for me it's now more about, service giving back.

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Yeah.

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That's excellent.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, that's a good that, that's a good differentiation.

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It's almost like you, you align your purpose with what season you are in life.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And these kids I'm coaching that are younger, young professionals, I'm like, it's, you're in sales and marketing, it's.

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Your purpose is to make sure your company kills it.

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Because if you guys don't do well as a company, people are getting laid off, like you guys are all in it together and paying each other's bills.

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So your purpose is to, create a great company that creates amazing jobs and let's everyone have, the life they want.

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So it's even in doing your job with excellence, there's purpose in that when you're younger.

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I wouldn't take that away from people for sure.

00:17:15.228 --> 00:17:19.548
Okay, so you mentioned, you have a score for all of these?

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How does that scoring system work?

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Yeah.

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There's two scores actually too.

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Okay.

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So the first score takes two minutes.

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I'll send you the app and it's called the Zen Score.

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It's how you feel about your life.

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So it actually, it goes a little beyond help.

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And to your point, it breaks relationships into romance.

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Friendships and it breaks the growth into like mindset and growth.

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So there's 11 questions.

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How do you feel about your health and fitness?

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How do you feel about your home environments?

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How you feel about your career?

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I.

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And zero to 10.

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And then at the end of it, it spits out a score, between zero and a hundred, and that's your Zen score, how you feel about your area.

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And you may have a one in one area and eights in all the other.

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And it makes you self-reflect oh shit, I gotta work on this part of my life based on my score.

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So that's the Zen score.

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Okay.

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Life score is like a credit rating.

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It's how you're doing, right?

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So I documented and AI helped me do this.

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Last year I sucked in about a hundred books, research reports, science data on what do people do for best practices, to have a great leisure, have a great home, have their finances under control, right?

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And said, here's the things that people who are successful in each of these areas are doing.

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Oh, so then

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you go through these hundred questions, are you doing these things?

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And it spits out a score between zero and a thousand, which I call your life score, like your credit rating.

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So if it's 500, 600, you're like, oh shit, I'm not doing a lot of the things I should be doing.

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Yeah.

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Oh, interesting.

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And now you've, you said earlier on in your life you did something like this for yourself before it was probably a conscious system, right?

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That every year

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Yeah.

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It's the engineer in me, right?

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Yeah.

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So I, software design.

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And I had a Google spreadsheet for 20 plus year.

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I think it was Excel to start actually, and I had 12 rows.

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And over time, I, every year I would go see my scores of those 11 questions I have I think I had 13, I think I broke out.

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My finances and net worth and debt.

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And so I had a little different scorecard than I have now.

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But I stopped and filled it out every year in December.

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And then I look back last year, what my score was, and then I'm like, what do I want to get to?

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I'm like I'm meant to spend more time with my brother and sister.

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And I visited them like once all year.

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Holy shit, I gotta give myself a three.

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For family, and now I'm thinking, okay, I gotta go visit'em at least two, three times this upcoming year.

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Again, it just creates a convenient framework.

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I find as an engineer you need to have kind of mental models of things.

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So I, I created this mental model of, a personal scorecard like a.

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Like a company has a dashboard, sales Yeah.

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For service.

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Like why not have a dashboard for your life?

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That's what I'm thinking.

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I love it.

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And it sounds pretty simple to do too, right?

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Oh my God.

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The Zen board takes two minutes.

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Yes.

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Yeah.

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11 questions.

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And I'm ba I'm guessing after all this, then you can start to set a plan of action.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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For

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what you're gonna do to improve your scores, right?

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Yeah.

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And I'll put on my entrepreneur hat for a second.

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So when I launched it a year ago, I thought I was gonna go direct to consumer.

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Like people need help and life coaches were, are expensive.

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It's the big fad.

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And I believe in coaches.

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It's great to learn from someone who's done what you want to do.

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But I wanted to have another tool that people couldn't use for self-care.

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But then I started getting coaches downloading and using it and said, oh, it's a great engagement tool.

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I have my client fill out their Zen score and Life score, and then we meet to kick off for coffee and we go through their score and identify, where they're strong, where they're weak, and with the work on.

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So now I have two markets direct and now selling it to coaches.

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Oh, fascinating.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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That helped.

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Yeah, we've had a lot of life coaches on the show in the past and I know a bunch as well, and it seems a lot of'em create a system or looking to create a system and they're not sure exactly how to go about it and gets tweaked and it sounds like, yeah, why not just take one that's already like yours?

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It's spread works and good.

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Spread the

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word for sure.

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Now, I've probably talked to 20 coaches over the last two months'cause I'm trying to, I'm trying to create.

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Big believer if you're gonna build a product, the customer has to love it.

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Like it's not enough to have a decent product.

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If they don't love it and they can't live without it, then I fail.

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So I've been interviewing these coaches and the one debate we're having is they seem to take a more of a guide approach, help you find yourself and find the answers right.

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And for me, I'm like, actually you could create a playbook.

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Like I have the 12 things that Warren Buffet does in wealth area that you should be doing to have a strong financial area in your life.

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So I am almost flipping the category from coach to like advisor, like life advisor.

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Like you gotta pay your credit card every month, I can't believe you don't have a 5 29 for your kids.

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It could be tax deductible.

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Like I, like a coach should be in a position to, to prescribe these are the things that are really gonna help you in all eight of these areas of your life, right?

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Yeah.

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You should go do cardio three times a week, or walk every day and not sit in your chair for two straight hours.

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These are things we know cause stress and, and bad posture and so I.

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I am confident that I've worked hard to say, Hey, here's the, I actually, it's 119 things that will help you get good at life across those eight categories.

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Do you think if there's somebody, especially I think somewhere in like our mid to late twenties, oftentimes we, it's pretty common to start to feel stuck, right?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And for many people that can even happen, like throughout.

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Their adulthood moving forward, right?

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'Cause this is really when you're dealing up until probably when you're done with college, you've had your life defined for you, right?

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So you didn't have to, you just knew how to put one foot in front of the other, and now you have to figure out which way to go.

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So do you think that this could help somebody with that?

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To help them feel Yeah.

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First of all and I don't know this yet, I haven't proven it out, but I have a thesis that younger generation loves points and scores.

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Sure.

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But I could see them saying, oh, geez, my Zen score is a 61.

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How do I get to an 80?

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So I think I could help gamify this a little.

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Yeah.

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And just get off the wheel where they're just reacting every day, showing up for work, doing this, and getting a routine and just stop and think why am I in a rut?

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What are you doing for fun in your life, man?

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What do you, what do you, what are your interests outside of work?

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Where are you going for vacation?

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What are you doing for social activities?

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Stop.

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Those things are important and if you're not also enjoying life, then what's the purpose of life, right?

00:24:31.042 --> 00:24:31.587
So right.

00:24:31.903 --> 00:24:38.982
Some of these people who feel stuck or lost are, need to just think about the other areas and then their friendships.

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Oh my gosh.

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If you can't share what you have with friends, what's the purpose of life?

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Totally.

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I have a gray house, but if it was just me, who cares?

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If I can't have people come and enjoy it with me, entertain, watch games, like it all, it's all interrelated, Luis.

00:24:55.333 --> 00:24:56.173
It's all this.

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Puzzle of pieces that I believe in that you have to pay attention to all of them.

00:25:01.647 --> 00:25:01.948
Yeah.

00:25:02.938 --> 00:25:03.897
Yeah, it's a great point.

00:25:04.347 --> 00:25:05.548
Yeah, and I completely agree.

00:25:06.087 --> 00:25:18.897
So I hope this younger generation, could, use it like a score, like a scorecard, and there's some other, I'm looking at other apps that are, I don't know if you use like any of the calm or meditation apps.

00:25:18.903 --> 00:25:19.103
Yeah,

00:25:19.678 --> 00:25:19.738
yeah.

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I've used them.

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The sleep apps, like.

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All these apps are popping up around, tracking streaks and all that.

00:25:28.002 --> 00:25:30.313
And people seem to like that.

00:25:30.313 --> 00:25:33.942
They give them a little impetus to, to change or create new habits.

00:25:34.343 --> 00:25:37.073
So that's what I'm trying to do is come up with mine's more holistic.

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Those are like little slices of life.

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Mine's like saying, whoa, here's how you can look at your whole life in a kind of a little score.

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Sure.

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Yeah.

00:25:45.778 --> 00:25:46.137
I I.

00:25:46.137 --> 00:25:50.758
I do think that we are in a society now where everything is becoming gamified like that.

00:25:50.788 --> 00:25:52.907
And it is with apps and such.

00:25:52.907 --> 00:25:53.988
It is easy to measure.

00:25:53.988 --> 00:25:54.198
Yeah.

00:25:54.198 --> 00:26:01.107
Now I even find people, when I ask'em on the Wayfinder four about, you'll get the question later, what's a favorite?

00:26:01.107 --> 00:26:05.548
And they'll talk about books and they're telling me how many hours of reading they do or how many books they read.

00:26:05.548 --> 00:26:07.347
'cause they can look at it on their app.

00:26:07.347 --> 00:26:15.228
And, so in, in running, we have an app called Strava and it tracks all of your, all of your miles that you do every year.

00:26:15.228 --> 00:26:18.137
And it compares'em and everything is gamified now.

00:26:18.147 --> 00:26:22.143
I also think that we're it's causing.

00:26:23.678 --> 00:26:24.637
I can't prove this.

00:26:24.637 --> 00:26:26.018
I know there's stuff coming out around this.

00:26:26.018 --> 00:26:34.587
I also think that there's, it's almost gone to the extreme opposite where it's causing some folks, mental anguish with it.

00:26:34.617 --> 00:26:34.768
Yeah.

00:26:34.948 --> 00:26:35.228
I agree.

00:26:35.357 --> 00:26:39.428
I think our attention spans are getting lost because of it.

00:26:39.428 --> 00:26:48.048
Everything on an app gives you small nuggets, so we're so used to just getting to quick and dirty on everything that we're no longer able to focus and concentrate.

00:26:48.178 --> 00:26:49.768
I'm struggling with reading a book.

00:26:50.333 --> 00:26:50.613
I know.

00:26:50.633 --> 00:26:50.932
And I,

00:26:51.038 --> 00:26:54.173
I love reading, but I'm really struggling getting through a whole book and this.

00:26:54.173 --> 00:26:54.333
Yeah.

00:26:54.333 --> 00:26:54.567
All right.

00:26:54.567 --> 00:26:58.857
So I'll tell you what's what's frustrates me and this is the downside.

00:26:59.107 --> 00:27:03.347
A couple things on having a phone and know all that information in your hand all the time.

00:27:03.347 --> 00:27:04.577
First of all, you're always on.

00:27:04.917 --> 00:27:05.607
It's oh my God.

00:27:05.607 --> 00:27:06.778
There's no doubt anymore.

00:27:06.938 --> 00:27:08.917
You're commuting to work on a train.

00:27:08.917 --> 00:27:11.198
You're on your phone, you're at the airport, you're on your phone that's right.

00:27:11.198 --> 00:27:12.758
You're in bed, you're on your phone.

00:27:12.907 --> 00:27:19.413
Like at some point you gotta whoa, leave some just dead time to Do nothing but the attention span.

00:27:19.803 --> 00:27:27.093
My, one of my first study groups for my mobile app was my four kids on Thanksgiving list last year.

00:27:27.093 --> 00:27:29.643
And so we're sitting there and we're like six minutes into it.

00:27:29.928 --> 00:27:32.178
And they're like, dad, how many more questions are there?

00:27:32.278 --> 00:27:33.958
It, it's 15 minutes, guys.

00:27:33.958 --> 00:27:34.407
Come on.

00:27:34.413 --> 00:27:34.512
Yeah.

00:27:34.563 --> 00:27:36.238
We're on like question 37.

00:27:36.428 --> 00:27:39.327
And they're like, they're already like they wanna move on to something else.

00:27:39.458 --> 00:27:41.367
And then we're watching tv.

00:27:41.968 --> 00:27:42.597
Oh my God.

00:27:43.288 --> 00:27:45.407
What they seven times during this movie.

00:27:45.407 --> 00:27:46.248
I had to rewind.

00:27:46.248 --> 00:27:47.117
I What just happened?

00:27:47.117 --> 00:27:47.718
I missed it.

00:27:47.928 --> 00:27:51.292
Yeah, you missed it because you're on your phone while we're all watching the movie.

00:27:51.673 --> 00:27:57.032
There's definitely some downside that I see from being connected, to your phone.

00:27:57.333 --> 00:27:57.722
Yeah.

00:27:57.903 --> 00:27:58.863
And I'm guilty of it.

00:27:58.863 --> 00:28:04.508
I'm just, and, but I'm becoming so much more conscious of it that I'm getting to the point where I don't think I can do it.

00:28:04.508 --> 00:28:09.398
It's bad for my business, but I feel like I just wanna go back to the old flip phone without everything, and

00:28:09.968 --> 00:28:10.538
I'm guilty.

00:28:10.688 --> 00:28:16.448
I can't say, I'm not checking scores of, while I'm watching a game or looking at stocks or something.

00:28:16.448 --> 00:28:16.867
Right.

00:28:17.222 --> 00:28:21.153
I feel I could still consume a movie and get information.

00:28:21.492 --> 00:28:22.423
I know you're right.

00:28:22.423 --> 00:28:23.863
It's like crazy.

00:28:24.252 --> 00:28:25.002
It is crazy.

00:28:25.123 --> 00:28:25.452
Yeah.

00:28:26.022 --> 00:28:26.292
Yeah.

00:28:26.292 --> 00:28:31.002
Bill, on that note think we should switch over to our world famous Wayfinder four.

00:28:31.063 --> 00:28:31.482
You ready?

00:28:31.482 --> 00:28:31.542
All.

00:28:32.083 --> 00:28:35.532
I am ready Fire for I'm on the bud, bud Light hot seat here.

00:28:35.532 --> 00:28:36.282
Whatever they call it.

00:28:36.282 --> 00:28:36.613
And that's right.

00:28:38.022 --> 00:28:38.202
So

00:28:38.202 --> 00:28:39.103
give us a hack.

00:28:39.103 --> 00:28:41.323
This is just like a life hack that you use.

00:28:41.813 --> 00:28:44.782
Obviously your system's a life hack, so you can't use that one.

00:28:45.982 --> 00:28:48.502
Oh, damnit.

00:28:48.502 --> 00:28:48.893
That's,

00:28:48.893 --> 00:28:49.373
that's what

00:28:49.462 --> 00:28:51.083
all I have another hack that's.

00:28:51.212 --> 00:28:55.653
Part of my app but that I do I've been doing for 20 years as well.

00:28:55.653 --> 00:28:58.083
It's called my, it's a little blue Monday list.

00:28:58.083 --> 00:29:07.343
So when you have those days where you want, don't want to get out of bed, like you're down, you're stressed, or you're overwhelmed, or you're just not feeling motivated.

00:29:07.782 --> 00:29:12.222
I have this little notepad that has these 25 questions.

00:29:12.583 --> 00:29:15.163
Is it because I feel outta shape?

00:29:15.462 --> 00:29:20.442
Did I do something, get an argument with my wife, or is the stock market down?

00:29:20.563 --> 00:29:22.843
I try to troubleshoot exactly.

00:29:22.843 --> 00:29:24.913
Maybe the two or three things.

00:29:25.192 --> 00:29:31.762
That are making me feel overwhelmed or bothered or just not happy and relaxed in life.

00:29:31.762 --> 00:29:31.791
And

00:29:32.626 --> 00:29:36.641
so I call, and now it's actually in my app now, it's called this life stressors tool.

00:29:36.641 --> 00:29:39.181
So you track what are the life stresses in your life.

00:29:39.181 --> 00:29:45.931
'cause until stress is not about working hard, stress to me is about knowing you have problems and doing nothing about them.

00:29:46.141 --> 00:29:46.560
Yes.

00:29:46.951 --> 00:29:49.230
And so if you can figure out what's causing it.

00:29:50.270 --> 00:29:54.290
And as soon as you start doing something about it, oh my God, you start feeling better about it.

00:29:54.290 --> 00:29:54.590
Yeah.

00:29:54.590 --> 00:29:54.651
Yeah.

00:29:55.671 --> 00:29:56.990
So that's my life hack.

00:29:57.320 --> 00:29:57.681
Yeah.

00:29:57.830 --> 00:29:58.490
Oh, that's good.

00:29:58.730 --> 00:29:58.971
Yeah.

00:29:58.976 --> 00:30:06.465
I like to relate that towards when you hike up a mountain, oftentimes you start at the trailhead and you look at the top and you're like, oh my God.

00:30:06.465 --> 00:30:09.455
It's overwhelmed and you it makes you not wanna do it, but you Yeah.

00:30:09.455 --> 00:30:13.401
You move forward and somehow you have no idea how you're gonna get there.

00:30:13.790 --> 00:30:14.060
Yeah.

00:30:14.465 --> 00:30:18.996
And sometimes you don't even know how you're gonna get like to the 10 feet ahead'cause you can't see the trail or something.

00:30:18.996 --> 00:30:21.635
But you keep going and the path presents itself, right?

00:30:21.635 --> 00:30:25.865
And then before you know it, you got into the top and yeah, just such a great feeling of accomplishment.

00:30:25.865 --> 00:30:26.105
But

00:30:26.435 --> 00:30:32.405
yeah, no, it's actually one of my philosophies in life is we're happy in it.

00:30:32.435 --> 00:30:33.635
We're happiest.

00:30:33.965 --> 00:30:35.796
When we're making progress.

00:30:35.855 --> 00:30:35.945
Yes.

00:30:35.996 --> 00:30:43.135
So if you have something you want to do or goal and you're, and you feel like you're making progress on it, you're, you just feel happier.

00:30:43.885 --> 00:30:43.976
Yeah.

00:30:43.976 --> 00:30:47.726
Like when I have a night where I go to bed and I got nothing done that day, I'm like, miserable.

00:30:47.726 --> 00:30:49.736
I'm like, shit, how did I let this day go by?

00:30:49.826 --> 00:30:50.215
Yeah.

00:30:50.605 --> 00:30:51.655
I got something done.

00:30:51.655 --> 00:30:54.086
I made some progress on something I feel, yeah.

00:30:54.730 --> 00:30:55.510
And oftentimes

00:30:55.510 --> 00:30:59.861
even achieving the goal that you were is not as rewarding as the progress towards it.

00:30:59.861 --> 00:31:01.090
All the little obstacles along.

00:31:01.451 --> 00:31:01.750
Yeah.

00:31:02.290 --> 00:31:02.621
Yeah.

00:31:03.040 --> 00:31:05.740
So what about a favorite, I alluded to this one earlier.

00:31:05.740 --> 00:31:10.560
This is a show, an activity, a book anything you want that is just a favorite.

00:31:10.800 --> 00:31:10.861
Yeah.

00:31:11.611 --> 00:31:12.931
So you're a little younger than me.

00:31:12.931 --> 00:31:14.250
You remember chairs?

00:31:14.611 --> 00:31:15.030
Of course.

00:31:15.121 --> 00:31:16.201
I'm not much younger than you.

00:31:16.381 --> 00:31:16.770
Yeah.

00:31:16.840 --> 00:31:18.101
I've been looking at some of those.

00:31:18.750 --> 00:31:21.211
Because George, we Norm just died this year.

00:31:21.661 --> 00:31:22.201
Oh my God.

00:31:22.201 --> 00:31:22.230
I

00:31:22.230 --> 00:31:22.560
didn't know that.

00:31:22.560 --> 00:31:22.800
Yeah.

00:31:22.800 --> 00:31:25.290
How funny he was with his one-liners.

00:31:25.320 --> 00:31:25.651
Yeah.

00:31:26.881 --> 00:31:32.570
Oh, it's a dog eat dog world, and I'm wearing mc milk bone underwear.

00:31:33.721 --> 00:31:35.496
That was what, that was one of his lines.

00:31:35.605 --> 00:31:35.895
Yeah.

00:31:36.576 --> 00:31:38.435
So my, I love that show.

00:31:38.435 --> 00:31:40.476
I still watch Seinfeld and, it's crazy.

00:31:40.476 --> 00:31:40.536
Yeah.

00:31:40.536 --> 00:31:41.855
That stood the test of time.

00:31:41.855 --> 00:31:44.375
My kids and I watch Seinfeld now and they love that.

00:31:44.496 --> 00:31:46.476
So those are probably two of my favorite shows.

00:31:46.476 --> 00:31:48.006
Even they stood the test of time.

00:31:48.155 --> 00:31:48.365
Yeah.

00:31:48.365 --> 00:31:48.846
That's funny.

00:31:48.846 --> 00:31:53.215
My daughter loves shows from from our generation.

00:31:53.310 --> 00:31:53.601
Yeah.

00:31:53.605 --> 00:31:55.816
And she Cheers is right up there.

00:31:55.816 --> 00:31:58.006
And Seinfeld, the guy Seinfeld is.

00:31:58.861 --> 00:31:59.580
Just genius.

00:31:59.580 --> 00:31:59.790
Really.

00:31:59.881 --> 00:31:59.941
Yeah.

00:32:00.961 --> 00:32:01.171
Yeah.

00:32:01.980 --> 00:32:04.830
So what about a piece of advice for your younger self,

00:32:06.131 --> 00:32:07.060
Younger self?

00:32:07.111 --> 00:32:11.030
I think I was a little bit two things.

00:32:11.211 --> 00:32:17.721
Probably a little over ambitious and spent too much time in my younger years and didn't really.

00:32:19.395 --> 00:32:26.986
Create enough really close friendships like, and I really, my parents were immigrants and so no, they never really taught me.

00:32:27.256 --> 00:32:33.455
You really almost have to know how to invest to create, listen, reciprocate support.

00:32:33.455 --> 00:32:43.355
And so sometimes I'm jealous where some of my friends have these, blood brothers, and sometimes I don't feel like I, I have enough of those around me'cause I didn't invest.

00:32:43.385 --> 00:32:46.496
And creating those kind of, amazing friendships.

00:32:46.496 --> 00:32:49.355
I wish I had more of those from, my younger days.

00:32:49.445 --> 00:32:49.685
Yeah.

00:32:49.685 --> 00:32:51.516
Did you grow up in Grafton too, or

00:32:51.786 --> 00:32:52.566
Connecticut?

00:32:52.566 --> 00:32:53.016
Shelton.

00:32:53.016 --> 00:32:53.915
Connecticut, yeah.

00:32:53.915 --> 00:32:54.096
Shelton,

00:32:54.096 --> 00:32:54.605
Connecticut.

00:32:54.635 --> 00:32:54.935
Okay.

00:32:54.965 --> 00:32:55.355
Yeah.

00:32:55.445 --> 00:32:55.715
Yeah.

00:32:56.026 --> 00:32:56.836
Where is Shelton?

00:32:56.955 --> 00:32:57.256
Just,

00:32:57.316 --> 00:33:00.615
it's the last town in Fairfield County, so near Bridgeport.

00:33:00.705 --> 00:33:01.185
Oh yeah.

00:33:01.215 --> 00:33:01.516
Okay.

00:33:01.516 --> 00:33:02.986
Haven right in that, yeah.

00:33:02.986 --> 00:33:03.046
Yeah.

00:33:03.165 --> 00:33:03.465
Okay.

00:33:03.601 --> 00:33:03.661
Yeah.

00:33:04.590 --> 00:33:04.980
All right.

00:33:05.520 --> 00:33:05.730
Yeah.

00:33:05.790 --> 00:33:10.621
New England, I asked because it, new England is such a, like a region of villages, essentially.

00:33:10.621 --> 00:33:19.201
Every town is really like a village, and people have these really tight relationships and oftentimes people don't even move too much.

00:33:19.250 --> 00:33:21.861
Yeah, there's a lot of ethnic communities.

00:33:21.861 --> 00:33:22.181
Big time.

00:33:22.546 --> 00:33:26.056
You go to New Britain, Connecticut, and it's Polish community.

00:33:26.056 --> 00:33:27.105
There's thousands of Polish.

00:33:27.540 --> 00:33:32.580
You go to Boston and there's a little, you could have a little Italy and little Ireland here, and that's

00:33:32.580 --> 00:33:32.790
right.

00:33:33.181 --> 00:33:38.641
And it's amazing how, the cultures preserve in pockets here in New England for sure.

00:33:38.760 --> 00:33:39.661
Yeah, totally.

00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:41.951
And where I grew up is Central Falls, Rhode Island.

00:33:41.951 --> 00:33:44.290
It was a big Colombian community, and that's where I am.

00:33:44.290 --> 00:33:45.310
So my parents are

00:33:45.365 --> 00:33:45.976
Yeah.

00:33:45.976 --> 00:33:46.125
From

00:33:46.125 --> 00:33:46.546
there too.

00:33:46.546 --> 00:33:46.816
Yeah.

00:33:46.875 --> 00:33:47.145
Yeah.

00:33:47.145 --> 00:33:49.276
And then I think there's an Armenian pocket in that way.

00:33:49.280 --> 00:33:49.480
Yes,

00:33:49.530 --> 00:33:50.355
there is.

00:33:50.476 --> 00:33:50.776
Yeah.

00:33:50.806 --> 00:33:52.096
One of my best friends was half.

00:33:52.671 --> 00:33:53.691
Armenia have Syrian.

00:33:53.691 --> 00:33:53.961
Yeah.

00:33:54.076 --> 00:33:54.365
Yeah.

00:33:54.546 --> 00:33:54.816
Yeah.

00:33:54.840 --> 00:33:57.191
Again, it's, we're hu we're creatures of nature, right?

00:33:57.191 --> 00:33:59.431
We like to socialize with our own tribe,

00:33:59.641 --> 00:33:59.760
right?

00:33:59.760 --> 00:34:00.391
Yeah, exactly.

00:34:00.631 --> 00:34:00.871
Yeah.

00:34:00.871 --> 00:34:02.730
So that's funny.

00:34:03.270 --> 00:34:11.960
How about either talk about either one of these however it resonates with you, either a big opportunity or a limiting belief.

00:34:12.405 --> 00:34:12.695
Yeah.

00:34:13.880 --> 00:34:13.940
Yeah.

00:34:13.940 --> 00:34:14.780
And I.

00:34:15.601 --> 00:34:22.260
I'm gonna go with, I know this sounds trendy, but I'm seeing two sides of the coin on ai.

00:34:22.481 --> 00:34:32.831
I'm seeing people who are super skeptical, afraid, saying, oh, I heard it's super inaccurate and I am the opposite.

00:34:32.831 --> 00:34:36.070
I'm a, oh my gosh, I use it two, three hours a day.

00:34:36.431 --> 00:34:37.331
I know I.

00:34:37.536 --> 00:34:45.846
I've crossed this threshold where I used to go to Google 10, 20 times a day, and now I think I go to chat GBT 10, 20 times a day.

00:34:46.385 --> 00:34:46.445
Yeah.

00:34:46.496 --> 00:34:53.755
I get an agreement that I gotta analyze and I'm no lawyer, and I just put it in there and say, Hey, gimme the gist of this agreement.

00:34:53.916 --> 00:34:55.206
I need an email.

00:34:55.326 --> 00:34:57.396
Like I'll write down four bullets and it'll write.

00:34:57.396 --> 00:35:00.396
I mean my pro productivity from ai.

00:35:00.951 --> 00:35:03.831
I think it's through the roof, so this stuff is not hype.

00:35:03.831 --> 00:35:05.391
I think it is changing the world for sure.

00:35:05.481 --> 00:35:06.170
Absolutely.

00:35:06.291 --> 00:35:06.590
Yeah.

00:35:06.590 --> 00:35:08.331
I gotta tell you I'm doing the same thing.

00:35:08.335 --> 00:35:10.755
I'm buying a property out in Illinois right now.

00:35:11.036 --> 00:35:20.626
It's a different type of asset than I've ever had and it's a different jurisdiction and I've been in, and I've been reaching out to lawyers and the contract I just put out.

00:35:21.420 --> 00:35:23.940
Put it on chat gpt, see what it, what I get.

00:35:24.121 --> 00:35:33.311
And these lawyers are taking days to get back to me on anything, and and when they do they, it's more, even more days to, to review all that stuff.

00:35:34.436 --> 00:35:36.146
But I kept going'cause I'm so used to that.

00:35:36.146 --> 00:35:42.896
And what cha GPTI didn't want to trust it because but I put it in there and it spit back, Hey, this is what to look for in this contract.

00:35:42.896 --> 00:35:45.655
You might wanna go back and go all this different advice.

00:35:45.865 --> 00:35:46.226
Yeah.

00:35:46.340 --> 00:35:52.275
And I even and finally the one lawyer who got back to me, I go through that with him not knowing, he doesn't know I use chat GPT.

00:35:52.724 --> 00:35:52.815
Yeah.

00:35:52.844 --> 00:35:53.355
He.

00:35:53.364 --> 00:35:54.894
Agreed on all the points.

00:35:55.434 --> 00:35:59.034
Some of the stuff that I'm, that he missed, I brought up to him.

00:35:59.034 --> 00:36:00.324
He's oh yeah, that's interesting.

00:36:00.324 --> 00:36:00.835
You know what I mean?

00:36:00.835 --> 00:36:01.945
All the, all these things.

00:36:01.945 --> 00:36:03.500
And I'm like, wow.

00:36:03.500 --> 00:36:06.679
So the people who are afraid of disruption,

00:36:06.980 --> 00:36:07.309
yeah.

00:36:07.460 --> 00:36:08.989
It's because they're not adapting.

00:36:09.230 --> 00:36:15.260
If they don't adapt and use it, they will lose because we don't have the time we're working at, we're in a society.

00:36:15.289 --> 00:36:16.699
If we snooze, we lose.

00:36:16.699 --> 00:36:19.460
So we have to, I adapt to these things.

00:36:19.565 --> 00:36:19.625
Yeah.

00:36:19.894 --> 00:36:21.155
Yeah, totally agree.

00:36:21.155 --> 00:36:37.135
Now one thing I'll, my last little thing that I'll mention is I'm a four days a week company and I just totally believe that we can get more done Monday through Thursday, be more efficient, deep work, and have more balance in our life and have Fridays off.

00:36:37.135 --> 00:36:38.304
There's such diminishing.

00:36:38.454 --> 00:36:38.514
Yeah.

00:36:39.135 --> 00:36:42.914
Friday so we don't have any employee meetings.

00:36:42.914 --> 00:36:46.724
You basically use Friday for your family home or catch up on email.

00:36:46.724 --> 00:36:48.675
If you're behind at work, use it for catch up.

00:36:48.724 --> 00:36:52.505
But I bring it up only'cause now you can be more efficient Monday through Thursday with ai.

00:36:52.775 --> 00:36:53.554
Get more done.

00:36:53.704 --> 00:36:54.335
A hundred percent.

00:36:54.659 --> 00:36:57.000
Yeah, it's good to hear this from somebody from New England.

00:36:57.000 --> 00:37:02.010
'cause I think about the work ethic there is always just work and, oh no, moving out west, it's been this way.

00:37:02.010 --> 00:37:04.590
People don't work here on Fridays so they can say that.

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And and now it's good to hear somebody back east saying that the same thing.

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I'm trying, I'm

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trying.

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Yeah.

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Personally, I don't wanna work Fridays anymore.

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I'm at a point in my life where, you don't have

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to,

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I don't have to, so I'm not going to, and other societies around the world are proving you can still be a good, strong country and economy.

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At least Spain working 35 hours a week and not six.

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There's balance.

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There's like we talked about the diet.

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It's the same with the family cultures in other places of the world, family is more important.

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A hundred percent.

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They, some people measure success by how good of a father or mother or family man they were not by how much money they made.

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Exactly.

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Yeah.

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So it's a different world.

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So I'm trying to bring some of that here to New England.

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Yeah.

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Good, good.

00:37:48.875 --> 00:37:57.250
How about yeah I guess at this point, if people wanna know a little bit more about you, maybe get their zen score, their life score how could they go about doing that?

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Yeah.

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First of all, it's easy to find me.

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Z Juki, Z-U-J-E-W-S-K-I.

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There's only 30 of us in the whole world.

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Okay.

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I've warned my kids.

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Be careful what you put out on social media because when they Google you, you're gonna be the only answer that come that comes up.

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So good life.com with two is my website.

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Look for Bill Zaki on LinkedIn.

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DM me, connect me.

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And then if you go to Amazon, just type in Zaki, you'll get my, the only book written by Zaki is What's Your Life score?

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On Amazon and Bill and bill@goodlife.com.

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That's my email.

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That's the ways to get ahold of me.

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Excellent.

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Thank you Bill.

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This is I love how you've broken it down.

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I think you got your priorities straight and you got a good system for helping other people do the same.

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Thank you for sharing that and I hope people go check it out.

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