Onward, At Last with Kevin Howard

WEBVTT

00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.080
Real divide in America is not Republican or in Democrat.

00:00:04.080 --> 00:00:05.759
It's not conservative and liberal.

00:00:05.849 --> 00:00:06.150
That's right.

00:00:06.150 --> 00:00:07.379
Those were the old divides.

00:00:07.709 --> 00:00:11.910
The real divide in America is establishment versus anti-establishment.

00:00:26.870 --> 00:00:38.090
​Welcome to the Wayfinder Show with Louis Hernandez, where guests discussed the why and how of making changes that led them down a more authentic path or allowed them to level up in some areas of their life.

00:00:39.299 --> 00:00:47.280
Our goal is to dig deep and provide not only knowledge, but actionable advice to help you get from where you are to where you want to be.

00:00:48.509 --> 00:00:51.390
Come join us and find a way to your dream life.

00:01:01.518 --> 00:01:03.048
Welcome back to the Wayfinder Show.

00:01:03.048 --> 00:01:04.938
I'm your host Louis Hernandez in today.

00:01:05.763 --> 00:01:07.474
I am here with Kevin Howard.

00:01:07.924 --> 00:01:21.963
Kevin is a veteran, former FEMA loan officer and business banker turned climate risk mitigation advocate, raised in the Bronx and shaped by a career spanning disaster response and finance.

00:01:22.323 --> 00:01:26.823
Kevin now channels his passion for humanity and nature into onward.

00:01:26.914 --> 00:01:33.963
At last, a compelling series of social commentaries, challenging the very virtues that define modern life.

00:01:34.728 --> 00:01:46.608
Through deep reflection on freedom, self-interest, and competition, Kevin explores how these ideals may be contributing to societal breakdown and what we can do to set a new course.

00:01:46.698 --> 00:01:53.718
He lives with his wife Nicole, in the Columbia Gorge National Scenic Area of Oregon, and we're really excited to have him here.

00:01:53.718 --> 00:01:56.269
So Kevin, welcome to the Wayfinder Show.

00:01:56.959 --> 00:02:00.498
Indeed, Louis, thank you so much for bringing me in today.

00:02:00.498 --> 00:02:02.778
I am so excited for this conversation.

00:02:03.213 --> 00:02:04.084
Likewise, man.

00:02:04.463 --> 00:02:08.153
These are some interesting topics we're gonna talk about that we usually don't get into.

00:02:08.153 --> 00:02:09.683
So I'm really excited about this.

00:02:10.264 --> 00:02:12.693
But before that, let's just let's just get into you, man.

00:02:12.693 --> 00:02:13.174
Who are you?

00:02:13.174 --> 00:02:13.653
Where'd you come?

00:02:13.704 --> 00:02:14.959
Give us your origin story.

00:02:15.558 --> 00:02:15.679
I.

00:02:15.758 --> 00:02:16.179
Yeah.

00:02:16.229 --> 00:02:17.669
Thank you so much for that question.

00:02:17.669 --> 00:02:20.278
I am a second generation American.

00:02:20.669 --> 00:02:23.739
My mother Andrea was born and raised in Panama.

00:02:24.278 --> 00:02:24.459
Oh, wow.

00:02:24.459 --> 00:02:25.989
Spanish is her first language.

00:02:26.049 --> 00:02:26.949
She grew up in Columbia.

00:02:27.788 --> 00:02:30.878
Is that Sorry to, I realize.

00:02:31.239 --> 00:02:31.688
Funny.

00:02:32.109 --> 00:02:32.679
No worries.

00:02:32.709 --> 00:02:42.498
She came here as a teenager to the States and and so her passion for America was a function of the fact that she grew up, pre Noriega Panama, yeah.

00:02:42.549 --> 00:02:45.278
And and so she understood what it was like to.

00:02:45.834 --> 00:02:49.493
Live outside of the country, grow up in a culture outside of the country, and that's all good.

00:02:49.493 --> 00:03:01.193
And she loves her country, her original country, but she became naturalized US citizen here and she instilled in both me and my brother, an appreciation for the opportunity we have growing up here.

00:03:01.554 --> 00:03:04.418
U unlike, the opportunity that many of her.

00:03:04.793 --> 00:03:07.252
Her siblings grew up in, in Panama.

00:03:07.582 --> 00:03:15.983
And so that real focus on and real appreciation of the opportunities we have as Americans really informed my early life.

00:03:16.282 --> 00:03:22.312
And so right after graduating from high school, I joined the US Army and served in, in nato.

00:03:22.402 --> 00:03:24.293
And now here's where I date myself.

00:03:24.293 --> 00:03:27.633
I served during during the end of the Cold War, president Reagan.

00:03:27.867 --> 00:03:35.527
Was my commander in chief and Colin Powell was the Lieutenant General running Fifth Corps, and I served for Colin Powell in Europe.

00:03:35.527 --> 00:03:35.768
Wow.

00:03:36.492 --> 00:03:38.233
And I so served four years active duty.

00:03:38.233 --> 00:03:40.872
I was a first generation M1 tanker.

00:03:40.902 --> 00:03:47.473
My, my MOS military occupational specialty was as a nuclear, biological chemical NCO.

00:03:47.473 --> 00:03:51.312
So I trained tankers, how to survive and contaminate in environments.

00:03:51.592 --> 00:03:58.323
And so after that, did undergrad in, in, in Texas, got my degree in economics, and then actually went to law school.

00:04:00.108 --> 00:04:09.777
And then after education, I served a full one year commitment as a FEMA lead disaster assistance loan officer based primarily in Fort Worth, Texas.

00:04:09.837 --> 00:04:11.937
'cause we served for the Northridge earthquake.

00:04:11.937 --> 00:04:14.277
So this puts us in the 94 95 range.

00:04:14.788 --> 00:04:28.817
And then after that experience, which was amazing, 25 years as a business banker, peaking during leading into the financial crash where I was a middle market commercial banker at Wachovia when the music stopped in September of 2008.

00:04:29.158 --> 00:04:31.247
That, that was a different part of my journey.

00:04:31.247 --> 00:04:31.307
I.

00:04:32.213 --> 00:04:34.163
It took me six years.

00:04:34.163 --> 00:04:38.992
It took me, let's see, from 2009 to 2016 to get back into banking.

00:04:39.052 --> 00:04:43.432
'cause a third of the banking industry got laid off during the fin, during the financial crash.

00:04:43.432 --> 00:04:50.163
So I was out of banking for, while doing insurance, doing whatever I could do to survive, but I did make it back.

00:04:50.163 --> 00:04:58.502
And ultimately when I came back to banking in 2016, I was, at this point, I had become aware of the climate crisis.

00:04:58.903 --> 00:05:01.528
I was, very much an environmentalist and stuff like that.

00:05:01.528 --> 00:05:12.908
And so I was a part of the recognition of climate risk as an actual vertical one risk within the risk management structure of US Bank.

00:05:13.298 --> 00:05:16.778
The bank I was working for, the US Bank is the fifth largest bank in America.

00:05:17.317 --> 00:05:22.208
And so when you add a new vertical, one risk like credit risk or liquidity risk.

00:05:22.598 --> 00:05:24.278
To a bank, it's a major deal.

00:05:24.307 --> 00:05:39.083
And so Climate had, was just getting recognized and this is where I went back to school and got my climate, my sustainability and climate risk certification with the global Association of Risk Professionals in order to advise a$600 billion bank.

00:05:39.208 --> 00:05:40.557
How do you manage this risk?

00:05:41.067 --> 00:05:50.338
So taking that experience, ultimately I started my own consulting business called Climate climate Change is everything, LLC, an Oregon based business.

00:05:50.367 --> 00:05:56.798
And I advise local governments, counties financial institutions on how they can manage the climate risk.

00:05:57.127 --> 00:06:00.048
So that's basically my story along the way.

00:06:00.108 --> 00:06:06.067
I, I grew up, a cradle Catholic, passionate in my faith and that faith.

00:06:06.572 --> 00:06:14.252
Over time, as I discerned through my adulthood, transitioned into what I would call a spiritual journey, right?

00:06:14.312 --> 00:06:28.867
And and I still am rooted in that faith, but the focus has shifted from religious ideology and the acceptance of a series of truths of principles to the pursuit of truth itself.

00:06:29.307 --> 00:06:39.867
What is true about our experience that helps us to understand the purpose, our purpose here in this life, and by living that purpose ultimately leads to our personal fulfillment.

00:06:39.987 --> 00:06:48.478
And so on that journey is when I started writing these social commentaries based on the things I was discovering through that journey.

00:06:48.838 --> 00:06:58.088
Finally, in December, 2022 Atmosphere press did me the honor of publishing my book of social commentaries called Onward at Last.

00:06:58.358 --> 00:06:58.718
Nice.

00:06:59.257 --> 00:07:02.588
And then inspired by the 2024 I.

00:07:03.127 --> 00:07:08.617
Presidential election, which played out so many of the issues that I had been talking about in my book.

00:07:09.098 --> 00:07:23.137
I did a new edition where I added a new chapter called America at the Crossroads and added 21 new commentaries because so many of the issues in the narratives that were playing out in the election demonstrated.

00:07:24.398 --> 00:07:45.648
What I was speaking to earlier, which is that so many things that we are told when I looked at, when I looked at the truth that I had come to understand most of that truth was through the wisdom of my lived experience and not the virtues values and narratives that we are told So many of those things.

00:07:45.918 --> 00:07:55.617
Actually totally conflict with what we have learned to be true in our lives, and yet we believe them and what that does is that creates a cognitive dissonance.

00:07:55.858 --> 00:08:01.973
It did so with me in that if your beliefs don't align with how you actually live, there's a disconnect there.

00:08:02.552 --> 00:08:10.293
And it's really hard to find purpose and fulfillment when the things you believe don't align with the things that you actually do.

00:08:10.612 --> 00:08:13.733
And so that's why I wrote the book to, to identify that.

00:08:13.853 --> 00:08:16.372
And then this was playing out in the election.

00:08:16.372 --> 00:08:16.432
I.

00:08:16.947 --> 00:08:21.538
What the Democrats and what the Republicans were project projecting, right?

00:08:21.538 --> 00:08:27.317
And the narratives that they were projecting was an exaggerated version of these distorted narratives.

00:08:27.708 --> 00:08:42.048
Not designed to inform us, but to, designed to manipulate us right to, to get us to feel a certain way, to get us to be angry at each other, to get us to weaponize the very things that make us special and totally ignore the things that we actually share.

00:08:42.342 --> 00:08:59.493
And so then I wrote this, I wrote 20 more new commentaries, America had the crossroads and and then Atmosphere Press published that new edition with a new forward by John Fullerton, who's a brilliant former investment banker who started something called the Capital Institute.

00:09:00.123 --> 00:09:04.352
Which he's trying to develop a new form of economic, it's called regenerative economics.

00:09:04.413 --> 00:09:08.822
And so he wrote the Forward for the book, and that was published in October, 2020.

00:09:08.913 --> 00:09:09.633
How'd you get him?

00:09:09.633 --> 00:09:10.383
That's a big get.

00:09:11.342 --> 00:09:11.732
Oh yeah.

00:09:11.732 --> 00:09:16.052
He, we had crossed paths in that I took his regenerative economics course.

00:09:16.202 --> 00:09:16.592
Okay.

00:09:16.592 --> 00:09:17.763
Through his capital institute.

00:09:17.793 --> 00:09:21.788
No, he, it is a big get, he's a member of the Club of Rome, one of these big thinkers and stuff like that.

00:09:21.793 --> 00:09:21.993
Yeah.

00:09:21.993 --> 00:09:22.263
Yeah.

00:09:22.812 --> 00:09:24.403
But no, he believed in the project.

00:09:24.413 --> 00:09:25.222
He read the book.

00:09:25.222 --> 00:09:27.363
He understood that I was, speaking truth.

00:09:27.363 --> 00:09:32.873
In fact, he said in the church of Finance I was a blasphemer.

00:09:33.062 --> 00:09:36.812
But he resonated with because,'cause I was revealing.

00:09:37.363 --> 00:09:41.052
Some truths about the, these lies that we're told.

00:09:41.182 --> 00:09:41.802
And so yeah.

00:09:41.802 --> 00:09:43.423
So that's basically my story.

00:09:43.423 --> 00:09:59.123
I'm here to try to help people to remember who they are by dispelling so many of these things that are simply not true, that fill our heads in terms of how we believe and how we see each other, and how we understand the world.

00:09:59.432 --> 00:10:01.322
So hopefully we can talk about some of that too.

00:10:02.383 --> 00:10:02.802
Yeah.

00:10:02.802 --> 00:10:05.893
I had some questions, but let's not hold back here.

00:10:05.893 --> 00:10:09.692
What are some of those lies that you've identified as well?

00:10:09.692 --> 00:10:17.793
And they go back for a good period of time, but so playing out right now a good example of what I'm talking about is, let's take the warn.

00:10:18.567 --> 00:10:19.768
Let's take the war in Ukraine.

00:10:19.977 --> 00:10:20.248
Sure.

00:10:20.307 --> 00:10:20.758
Okay.

00:10:21.118 --> 00:10:21.327
Alright.

00:10:21.427 --> 00:10:26.707
When Russia attacked U Ukraine in, was it March of 2022?

00:10:27.248 --> 00:10:29.168
What President Biden told us.

00:10:29.682 --> 00:10:32.863
By the way, I'm, I was, I'm long, I'm a long time democrat.

00:10:32.932 --> 00:10:36.533
I voted for Walter Mondale in 84 when almost no one else did.

00:10:36.533 --> 00:10:42.682
So when I was serving for, we'll go back to, given our own disclaimers and all that, I just wouldn't say this.

00:10:42.682 --> 00:10:46.222
So I'm not I'm just not biased, so Joe Biden told the country.

00:10:46.707 --> 00:10:54.597
That described Russia's attack on Ukraine as an unprovoked attack on a sovereign country.

00:10:54.837 --> 00:10:55.197
Alright.

00:10:55.528 --> 00:10:58.977
And so a lot that opened the hearts of a lot of Americans.

00:10:58.977 --> 00:11:03.322
This became, freedom against totalitarians and that, that framework.

00:11:03.322 --> 00:11:04.342
And we have since.

00:11:05.227 --> 00:11:11.827
Offered over a hundred billion dollars in US support to try to defend Ukraine against Russia.

00:11:12.278 --> 00:11:12.697
Okay.

00:11:13.087 --> 00:11:28.018
But if you just simply check the history of the events that led to Russia attacking Ukraine, and the reference point that I would give people is there's a gentleman, there's a gentleman named oh, let's see, one second.

00:11:28.118 --> 00:11:29.347
Let me look up his name real quick.

00:11:29.528 --> 00:11:31.107
Is, jeffrey Sacks.

00:11:31.347 --> 00:11:32.067
He is.

00:11:32.067 --> 00:11:32.518
Oh, Jeff Sacks.

00:11:32.518 --> 00:11:32.577
Yeah.

00:11:33.118 --> 00:11:36.447
Jeffrey Sacks, he's a Columbia University economist.

00:11:36.807 --> 00:11:41.427
Probably the leading developmental economist in our lifetime.

00:11:41.727 --> 00:11:42.988
He is who?

00:11:43.018 --> 00:11:50.967
The United States sent to Eastern Europe to help the former Warsaw Pac countries in the nineties convert to capitalism.

00:11:51.418 --> 00:11:53.008
We sent him to Russia.

00:11:53.687 --> 00:11:59.988
To help Boris Yeltsin and Mikhail Gorbachev convert Russia to a free market economy.

00:12:00.408 --> 00:12:01.398
This is the guy we sent.

00:12:01.727 --> 00:12:01.937
Yeah.

00:12:01.937 --> 00:12:08.418
He is also the principle contributor to the United Nations Sustainable development goals.

00:12:08.778 --> 00:12:11.268
This guy is a giant above reproach.

00:12:12.107 --> 00:12:24.317
I what I'm about to tell you, the story I'm about to tell you about the war in Ukraine is what he has addressed to the European Parliament is recently as March of this year, telling the same story.

00:12:24.648 --> 00:12:29.357
They have pushed him off the news because they cannot say he's a liar.

00:12:29.357 --> 00:12:30.048
They cannot.

00:12:30.067 --> 00:12:31.357
Dispute his facts.

00:12:31.488 --> 00:12:34.067
But he, but because he was the, he's the guy in the room.

00:12:34.427 --> 00:12:35.658
He, okay.

00:12:35.898 --> 00:12:43.827
So basically, okay so here Biden, and, leading into the election, the Warn Ukraine a big issue in the election of last year.

00:12:44.248 --> 00:12:44.638
Okay.

00:12:44.668 --> 00:12:48.388
We're told that that it was as unprovoked attack when actually.

00:12:50.403 --> 00:13:11.852
This goes back to, this goes back to this to when the Soviet Union decided to set, to step down in the early nineties and so here Gorbachev was working with George HW Bush to say, okay, we are going to dismantle, we're gonna release Eastern Europe, the Warsaw Pac, we're gonna release, we're gonna dismantle the Soviet Empire.

00:13:12.212 --> 00:13:14.673
We're gonna pull all the nukes back to Russia.

00:13:15.072 --> 00:13:16.993
And make sure they don't get in the hands of terrorists.

00:13:17.293 --> 00:13:26.062
We're going, we are going to abdicate communism, and we would like to help to establish a free market economy in Russia, right?

00:13:26.692 --> 00:13:27.592
We will do this.

00:13:28.238 --> 00:13:37.437
We will in releasing Europe, we will Eastern Europe, we will support reunification of Germany and we will support the reunification of Germany.

00:13:37.437 --> 00:13:42.418
As a member of nato, our condition is this one.

00:13:43.543 --> 00:13:49.182
We want N we want, we don't want NATO to expand East into Europe.

00:13:49.692 --> 00:13:50.202
And why?

00:13:50.383 --> 00:13:56.413
Because the Warsaw Pact during the Cold War was a security buffer between Western Europe and Russia.

00:13:56.802 --> 00:14:04.452
If you look at all the historical conflicts, major conflicts between Europe and Russia, it comes from Western Europe attacking Russia.

00:14:04.903 --> 00:14:08.143
You know the Napoleonic Wars, it was France, world War I.

00:14:08.143 --> 00:14:09.523
It was Germany and Austria.

00:14:09.643 --> 00:14:10.932
World War ii, it was Germany.

00:14:11.352 --> 00:14:14.582
Okay, so at to the deaths of millions of Russians.

00:14:14.793 --> 00:14:22.082
So that's why in the Cold War period, Eastern Europe was controlled by the Soviet Union as a security buffer against the West.

00:14:22.322 --> 00:14:30.092
So what Gorbachev was saying in in, in 92 is that, okay, we will support the reunification of Germany even though they're responsible for the death.

00:14:30.092 --> 00:14:37.773
Over 20 million Soviet citizens in World War ii, we will support the reunification, but NATO needs to agree not to expand East.

00:14:39.072 --> 00:14:50.852
That's exactly what James Baker, secretary of State, under HW Bush Promise, he did it in a private assurance now that NATO would not advance one inch east of Europe.

00:14:51.363 --> 00:14:51.812
Okay.

00:14:52.082 --> 00:14:53.763
Then Bill Clinton promptly.

00:14:54.232 --> 00:14:59.783
Broke those pri broke that private assurance by starting to expand in Eastern Europe by the Nega.

00:14:59.842 --> 00:15:09.403
By the late nineties going into the two thousands, we continued that expansion right In 2008 at the NATO summit, George W.

00:15:09.403 --> 00:15:22.913
Bush announced the intent to expand nato all the way to include Ukraine and Putin who was in control of Russia at the time, put out a direct communicate to uni US ambassador.

00:15:23.227 --> 00:15:33.518
To Ukraine saying that Russia would consider expanding NATO to include Ukraine as an existential threat to the national security of Russia.

00:15:33.727 --> 00:15:39.577
'cause NATO forward positions, nuclear weapons like we have in Poland, Romania, and Turkey.

00:15:39.967 --> 00:15:50.423
So that was Putin notifying us in 2008, that would be considered an existential threat that Russia will go to war over and would, it would go to nuclear war over to prevent.

00:15:50.812 --> 00:15:51.232
Okay.

00:15:52.582 --> 00:16:03.952
2014 with a democratically elected Ukrainian government that was NATO neutral, that the Ukrainian constitution said that it was stay neutral, right?

00:16:04.163 --> 00:16:09.283
The United States provided the financing under Obama, right?

00:16:09.283 --> 00:16:15.107
Provided the financing to, for the violent overthrow of that democratically elected government.

00:16:16.187 --> 00:16:26.957
Jeffrey Sachs was in Ukraine in 2014 because the new government that we installed called him in to help establish a new economy that was independent of the Russians.

00:16:27.238 --> 00:16:31.927
And when he got on the ground there, he discovered that we had paid for the overthrow.

00:16:32.018 --> 00:16:32.048
Okay.

00:16:33.248 --> 00:16:40.717
This is when that new government then turned around and start killing ethically Russian Ukrainians.

00:16:41.288 --> 00:16:42.248
Thousands of them.

00:16:42.398 --> 00:16:43.268
15,000.

00:16:43.327 --> 00:16:46.508
That's when Russia intervened in Ukraine and took Crimea.

00:16:46.837 --> 00:16:47.258
Okay.

00:16:47.947 --> 00:16:50.707
By 2015, they have a peace agreement.

00:16:52.043 --> 00:17:01.322
And that peace agreement is sponsored by Germany, France and Poland, and is approved by the US UN Security Council, including the United States.

00:17:01.663 --> 00:17:01.722
I.

00:17:03.173 --> 00:17:23.123
That security agreement would've protected The sovereignty of Ukraine, kept it all together, and the only difference was, is that the ethnically Russian southeastern region of Ukraine would be protected against the Ukrainian government banning Russian language, banning Russian religion, banning Russian culture, which is what they were trying to do.

00:17:23.583 --> 00:17:24.093
Okay.

00:17:24.333 --> 00:17:27.002
The problem is, and that agreement is called a min to agreement.

00:17:27.423 --> 00:17:32.373
The problem is the United States then turned around and instructed Ukraine not to enforce the agreement.

00:17:32.702 --> 00:17:34.292
Okay, so here we go.

00:17:34.593 --> 00:17:36.242
So we are not enforcing the agreement.

00:17:36.393 --> 00:17:38.133
We paid for the violent overthrow.

00:17:38.313 --> 00:17:40.863
We have an anti-Russian government that we installed.

00:17:41.163 --> 00:17:48.212
The proof of that we installed it is an audio tape of Victoria Newland, the Assistant Secretary of State under Obama.

00:17:48.782 --> 00:17:58.623
Admitting to the US Ambassador to Ukraine, that this is the government we're going to install after the overthrow, and that is the government who took power.

00:17:58.653 --> 00:18:00.482
That is the government who called Jeffrey Sachs.

00:18:00.673 --> 00:18:01.032
Okay.

00:18:01.333 --> 00:18:13.303
So between 2015 and 2021, the New York Times, put in the front page how we started building secret military bases in Ukraine and bringing in weapons.

00:18:13.813 --> 00:18:15.792
This is when in 2021.

00:18:16.173 --> 00:18:19.738
Russia put the, their military on the border of Ukraine.

00:18:20.218 --> 00:18:35.182
But they gave us one more chance in December, 2021, Putin said a communicate to the NATO Secretary General and that says we would like a conference on the security question relating to Ukraine.

00:18:36.413 --> 00:18:45.323
NATO responded and the Secretary General has admitted this publicly responded to Putin's request in December, 2021 that nato.

00:18:46.117 --> 00:18:54.548
The business of NATO expansion is not anyone's business, including Russia, and that NATO would not discuss their expansion with Russia.

00:18:55.028 --> 00:18:59.827
This is when, this is the events that led up to Russia attacking Ukraine.

00:19:00.228 --> 00:19:00.229
Wow.

00:19:00.258 --> 00:19:02.117
It did not have to happen, right?

00:19:02.117 --> 00:19:03.827
It certainly wasn't unprovoked.

00:19:04.127 --> 00:19:04.367
Sure.

00:19:04.367 --> 00:19:06.317
All this is easily verifiable.

00:19:06.587 --> 00:19:08.718
This is an entirely different story.

00:19:09.018 --> 00:19:10.637
This is not pro Putin.

00:19:10.917 --> 00:19:12.627
This is what actually happened.

00:19:13.103 --> 00:19:14.633
The truth is not ideological.

00:19:14.663 --> 00:19:17.542
It is what actually happened that led up to this event.

00:19:17.903 --> 00:19:24.143
And and so this is just one strand and if you can just look at the narrative that we are told, I.

00:19:24.682 --> 00:19:27.113
And what the actual truth of the matter is.

00:19:27.173 --> 00:19:34.242
It is so profoundly different that they would lie to us, that profoundly, this is no different than WMDs in Iraq.

00:19:34.248 --> 00:19:35.532
This is right.

00:19:35.532 --> 00:19:47.248
Different, when you are willing to, when you have leadership who's willing to lie to their people, to the point where hundreds of thousands of people are dead because of that lie, right?

00:19:47.248 --> 00:19:47.458
Yeah.

00:19:48.123 --> 00:19:48.423
Yeah.

00:19:48.903 --> 00:19:51.623
We need to dispel those type of narratives.

00:19:51.752 --> 00:19:59.163
And the only way we as people can reclaim our sovereignty is to understand what is true about the things that we're told Sure.

00:19:59.163 --> 00:20:00.363
That affect our lives.

00:20:00.542 --> 00:20:03.512
'cause otherwise, this is why you vote for Kamala Harris, right?

00:20:03.512 --> 00:20:08.567
Because she's standing on the side of freedom, trying to protect the Ukrainians.

00:20:08.567 --> 00:20:12.228
But the fact of the matter is that this has nothing to do with Ukrainian sovereignty.

00:20:12.917 --> 00:20:28.097
Do you know that there's never been a democratic vote in Ukraine in the last 20 years in support of, in that, in support of joining nato, even Zelensky ran right, his campaign, he ran to endorse.

00:20:28.163 --> 00:20:34.002
And enforce the min to agreements, which would've prevented NATO ex join Ukraine, joining nato.

00:20:34.163 --> 00:20:34.792
So that's what I'm saying.

00:20:34.792 --> 00:20:42.363
We are being lied to and manipulated, and we need to shed these lies in order for us to make choices that make sense for us and our businesses.

00:20:42.633 --> 00:20:42.992
Sure.

00:20:43.803 --> 00:20:44.012
Yeah.

00:20:44.063 --> 00:20:47.633
This particular election, I don't wanna focus on the candidates here.

00:20:47.663 --> 00:20:48.053
Okay.

00:20:48.083 --> 00:20:50.573
Or even the parties, if it's okay.

00:20:50.913 --> 00:20:52.982
But I can say I like you.

00:20:52.982 --> 00:21:04.222
I think I have a very similar background in that, although I always consider myself an independent, if you really look at my voting record, the truth is I've almost always voted Democrat, with a couple of exceptions here or there.

00:21:04.553 --> 00:21:11.153
And luckily, I live in a state now of Colorado where I can declare myself independent and actually vote for whoever I want.

00:21:11.173 --> 00:21:16.083
Which is great, but on the East coast it's like you, the decisions were made on the primary.

00:21:16.083 --> 00:21:19.692
So you just had to, align yourself with the majority party and vote there.

00:21:19.692 --> 00:21:21.103
'cause that's where the real election was.

00:21:21.153 --> 00:21:22.083
But exactly.

00:21:22.113 --> 00:21:27.153
But I'll tell you, I think this is a great example of things that, you know.

00:21:28.633 --> 00:21:31.212
As by as much as we all think we're independent.

00:21:31.212 --> 00:21:37.823
'cause you talk to everybody, everybody says that they think, everybody thinks they're fi, they wanna be fiscally conservative, socially liberal, right?

00:21:37.823 --> 00:21:42.833
Everybody want thinks that they are independent minded, but at the end of the day, we vote one way.

00:21:43.038 --> 00:21:45.498
90% of the time and we're not really there.

00:21:45.498 --> 00:21:52.157
And there's something about the other side that gives us the heebie giess and we align ourselves with the party that's there.

00:21:52.208 --> 00:22:01.188
And I think that's what over time, as we, maybe it's age, maybe it's just an awakening, maybe we had somebody who really did a great job with the messaging.

00:22:01.307 --> 00:22:01.968
I don't know.

00:22:01.968 --> 00:22:07.567
But we start to see some truths from the party that we're aligned with, and they all do it right.

00:22:07.897 --> 00:22:10.518
That, start to expose that.

00:22:10.637 --> 00:22:11.692
Okay, maybe it isn't.

00:22:12.212 --> 00:22:13.472
What my party's saying.

00:22:13.692 --> 00:22:15.222
I'll give another great example.

00:22:15.337 --> 00:22:16.708
Bernie yes.

00:22:16.788 --> 00:22:18.377
Bernie is below.

00:22:18.407 --> 00:22:24.317
He is I like to call him the conscience consciousness of the Democratic party'cause, for what it's worth.

00:22:24.317 --> 00:22:27.317
But anyways, people loved him, went on the road.

00:22:27.567 --> 00:22:29.008
People followed him like crazy.

00:22:29.008 --> 00:22:31.438
Him and a OC are starting to do that now again, and they're.

00:22:31.923 --> 00:22:34.863
Getting big crowds, which by the way, any.

00:22:35.803 --> 00:22:38.593
Any side that does, that usually builds a big following, right?

00:22:38.593 --> 00:22:42.182
With whatever mis the Democratic party felt threatened by that and they shut'em down.

00:22:42.423 --> 00:22:49.752
And if you really start to look at it, we haven't had a real Democratic primary probably since Obama won the first one.

00:22:49.803 --> 00:22:57.232
The more, and I, the more consciously I start to think about this,'cause a lot of my friends love Bernie, and I'm not saying I'm a Bernie supporter now or not, whatever.

00:22:57.232 --> 00:23:00.292
It's just I saw that all of a sudden he just got shut down.

00:23:00.478 --> 00:23:03.738
We saw it and then we saw it really clearly in this election, right?

00:23:04.248 --> 00:23:08.087
Where, we all voted for one guy and then we got somebody else, right?

00:23:08.087 --> 00:23:12.637
So it's and then you see that one guy and we didn't wanna believe that he may not have been stable.

00:23:12.637 --> 00:23:14.768
And then we see him on TV and then, okay, he's not stable.

00:23:14.768 --> 00:23:18.458
So it's like you start to see the lies for real.

00:23:18.577 --> 00:23:20.407
And it's like, how do you deny that?

00:23:20.407 --> 00:23:20.978
And to start.

00:23:21.567 --> 00:23:24.508
You have to start asking the questions consciously.

00:23:24.887 --> 00:23:25.038
Yeah.

00:23:25.347 --> 00:23:36.133
It's so important and I'm so happy you bring up Bernie, because to me, Bernie Sanders is an, is a wonderful, from a democratic or progressive perspective, I.

00:23:37.153 --> 00:23:39.702
Example of the real divide in America.

00:23:39.732 --> 00:23:39.823
Sure.

00:23:39.823 --> 00:23:43.903
The real divide in America is not Republican or in Democrat.

00:23:43.903 --> 00:23:45.583
It's not conservative and liberal.

00:23:45.673 --> 00:23:45.972
That's right.

00:23:45.972 --> 00:23:47.202
Those were the old divides.

00:23:47.532 --> 00:23:51.732
The real divide in America is establishment versus anti-establishment.

00:23:51.762 --> 00:23:52.063
Yes.

00:23:52.063 --> 00:23:55.732
And by that put what in that, I mean is Bernie Sanders appeal?

00:23:55.762 --> 00:24:19.303
He was talking about a political revolution and the reason why Bernie Sanders was talking about a political revolution is that the geopolitical and geo-economic policies of the neoliberal neoconservative project, which is two sides of the same coin, so you know, that geopolitical policy of American hegemony, one superpower in the post Cold War period, right?

00:24:20.093 --> 00:24:29.542
And that American Hege hegemony would be supported by the forever wars we would be fighting across the globe and look at us for the last 30 years.

00:24:29.823 --> 00:24:30.962
Look at our federal debt.

00:24:30.962 --> 00:24:33.083
We had$4 trillion in debt in 92.

00:24:33.532 --> 00:24:35.272
We got 37 trillion today.

00:24:35.482 --> 00:24:35.843
Why?

00:24:35.843 --> 00:24:38.782
Because we fought war for almost the entire time.

00:24:38.782 --> 00:24:39.833
And there's that New York act.

00:24:39.833 --> 00:24:40.252
There it is.

00:24:40.357 --> 00:24:40.678
I heard it.

00:24:40.732 --> 00:24:41.333
I was gonna say that.

00:24:43.042 --> 00:24:48.613
And okay so the geopolitical policy of the neoliberal neoconservative agenda was.

00:24:48.982 --> 00:24:51.532
American hegemony one superpower, right?

00:24:51.532 --> 00:24:51.682
Yeah.

00:24:52.012 --> 00:24:54.143
The economics was globalization.

00:24:54.772 --> 00:24:55.913
Yeah, globalization.

00:24:55.923 --> 00:25:07.653
It started with Clinton, with NAFTA and the whole na, they liberalized GA and stuff like that so that American corporations could then go labor shopping around the globe for the best lowest cost labor.

00:25:08.647 --> 00:25:12.847
And what that did to American domestic Labor is it commoditized them.

00:25:13.028 --> 00:25:15.008
It made them compete against South Korea.

00:25:15.157 --> 00:25:16.538
It made them compete against Mexico.

00:25:16.538 --> 00:25:17.887
It made them compete against China.

00:25:18.097 --> 00:25:20.198
And so what happened to wages in the United States?

00:25:20.198 --> 00:25:22.238
They stayed flat for 30 years.

00:25:22.448 --> 00:25:22.597
Yeah.

00:25:22.597 --> 00:25:22.867
Okay.

00:25:23.708 --> 00:25:28.087
So the anti-establishment is the abandoned.

00:25:29.972 --> 00:25:32.702
Middle class and working class Americans.

00:25:32.913 --> 00:25:33.303
That's right.

00:25:33.353 --> 00:25:35.542
Who did not get served by globalization?

00:25:35.573 --> 00:25:36.863
Who won globalization?

00:25:37.042 --> 00:25:40.012
The professional class and the big and wealth.

00:25:40.373 --> 00:25:44.722
We produced the wealthiest billionaire class in global history.

00:25:44.952 --> 00:25:45.823
One of these.

00:25:46.042 --> 00:25:53.573
Uber wealthy billionaires like Elon Musk has more money adjusted for inflation than the entire Gilded Age.

00:25:53.692 --> 00:25:53.813
Yeah.

00:25:53.873 --> 00:25:55.343
The Rockefellers, the melons does.

00:25:55.442 --> 00:25:57.303
That's how much wealth we created at the top.

00:25:57.482 --> 00:25:57.752
Yeah.

00:25:57.758 --> 00:25:58.593
At the expense.

00:25:58.863 --> 00:26:09.482
The Federal Reserve said in 2021 that for the first time in US history, the top 1% have more wealth and income than the entire American middle class.

00:26:09.752 --> 00:26:09.903
Yeah.

00:26:09.952 --> 00:26:17.347
Who voted for Trump, who voted for Bernie, the working class and middle class Americans who got left behind, right?

00:26:17.567 --> 00:26:17.989
That's right.

00:26:17.989 --> 00:26:25.653
And the problem with what the Democrats did by snuffing Bernie twice is that they really thought that these working class.

00:26:27.482 --> 00:26:31.303
People would buy into the hype that they are the party of the working person.

00:26:31.333 --> 00:26:35.022
They long Clinton changed that they are the party of Wall Street.

00:26:35.032 --> 00:26:36.113
And Forever Wars.

00:26:36.113 --> 00:26:37.732
And all, and that includes Obama.

00:26:38.212 --> 00:26:39.303
So what do these people do?

00:26:39.333 --> 00:26:40.472
They didn't go vote for Hillary.

00:26:40.472 --> 00:26:40.502
I.

00:26:41.343 --> 00:26:43.442
They turned around and started voting for Trump.

00:26:43.623 --> 00:26:43.742
Yeah.

00:26:43.742 --> 00:26:44.042
Why?

00:26:44.103 --> 00:26:47.103
Because they let a billionaire frame himself.

00:26:47.222 --> 00:26:48.613
He frame, he's a marketing guy.

00:26:48.823 --> 00:26:49.153
Totally.

00:26:49.153 --> 00:26:50.022
That's all he does.

00:26:50.143 --> 00:26:50.653
He gets it.

00:26:50.653 --> 00:26:53.542
He framed himself as the anti-establishment guy.

00:26:53.782 --> 00:26:53.873
Yeah.

00:26:53.873 --> 00:26:58.258
And goes to Michigan and talks about how he's bringing these jobs back.

00:26:58.288 --> 00:26:58.698
Okay.

00:26:58.768 --> 00:27:02.458
So no matter the fact that he's a billionaire and benefited from all that.

00:27:02.847 --> 00:27:06.278
He they deferred, he understood.

00:27:06.278 --> 00:27:07.417
He read the electorate.

00:27:07.417 --> 00:27:07.478
Yeah.

00:27:07.688 --> 00:27:11.748
And understood that most Americans are not served by this economics.

00:27:11.988 --> 00:27:12.827
So what does that make?

00:27:12.827 --> 00:27:13.728
2024.

00:27:14.268 --> 00:27:15.798
That's America's Brexit.

00:27:16.248 --> 00:27:26.127
The reason why the UK voted to leave the European Union is domestic middle class and labor and working class people did not get served by the European Union.

00:27:26.157 --> 00:27:28.107
Only the professional class and wealth.

00:27:28.377 --> 00:27:29.938
Same thing that happened in America.

00:27:30.657 --> 00:27:32.397
This trend is not unique.

00:27:33.238 --> 00:27:33.778
Louis, my friend.

00:27:34.663 --> 00:27:45.792
For the first time in global history, every major democracy across the global north, from Japan to Canada, throughout Europe voted out incumbents.

00:27:45.893 --> 00:27:53.153
Because the majorities are not served by globalization, only wealth in the professional class.

00:27:53.353 --> 00:27:55.393
So what this is what drove the election.

00:27:55.393 --> 00:28:09.333
It was less about Trump and a complete repudiation of neoliberalism of, if Kamala Harris had the character, and I say character because they asked her many times, is there anything you could think of that you would do different than Joe Biden?

00:28:09.663 --> 00:28:09.782
Yeah.

00:28:09.782 --> 00:28:15.452
If she had the strength of character to step out there and say, yes, people would've been open to that.

00:28:15.452 --> 00:28:15.722
Absolutely.

00:28:15.813 --> 00:28:25.542
But people were not gonna affirm a policy that doesn't serve them, so it became a rejection, a repudiation of the incumbent just like it was.

00:28:25.577 --> 00:28:26.478
Across the world.

00:28:26.837 --> 00:28:27.167
Sure.

00:28:27.627 --> 00:28:37.448
I think there's been several elections in my lifetime where the anti-establishment candidate won.

00:28:37.788 --> 00:28:38.907
And it was really, I.

00:28:40.198 --> 00:28:45.077
And then they take power and they become the rule, because they become the ruling class.

00:28:45.077 --> 00:28:49.127
They become the establishment, and that goes on usually for a few cycles, right?

00:28:49.127 --> 00:29:00.522
I think Reagan, Clinton, Obama, now Trump, I believe those are probably four in my lifetime, that, that were anti-establishment victories, their first wins, right?

00:29:00.553 --> 00:29:05.032
Like they you can, we can disagree or not, but I, how does.

00:29:06.367 --> 00:29:11.678
With that in mind, how does how do we get that to happen more often?

00:29:11.728 --> 00:29:21.968
So we don't have an establishment that can, a new establishment that continues their, a self-serving status quo for them rather than the masses, right?

00:29:21.978 --> 00:29:23.538
The middle class and the working class.

00:29:24.212 --> 00:29:34.502
Interesting thing, and this is what I would say to you, Louis, and to the audience listening, this is the thing that separates, and I am not a Trump supporter.

00:29:34.863 --> 00:29:35.012
Sure.

00:29:35.042 --> 00:29:38.012
But this is what separates Trump from everyone else.

00:29:38.012 --> 00:29:40.772
You just said his motivation.

00:29:40.952 --> 00:29:43.563
Why as a billionaire does he choose to take.

00:29:43.907 --> 00:29:51.087
To take the mantle of the anti-establishment is, and the reason why is even though he is a product of the patriarchy, sure.

00:29:51.117 --> 00:29:53.597
He's a product of the establishment.

00:29:53.867 --> 00:29:58.877
They have never accepted him as a respected member of their class.

00:29:59.038 --> 00:30:03.298
And I think the turning point was in 2000, was it 2011?

00:30:03.298 --> 00:30:07.857
2012 during the Obama administration at the White House Correspondence dinner.

00:30:07.857 --> 00:30:08.397
I saw that.

00:30:08.768 --> 00:30:09.278
I saw that Yes.

00:30:09.278 --> 00:30:12.877
When Obama was on stage roasting Trump, who's in the crowd.

00:30:13.028 --> 00:30:13.147
Yeah.

00:30:13.147 --> 00:30:14.438
And he eviscerated.

00:30:14.438 --> 00:30:16.087
And totally trivialized.

00:30:16.208 --> 00:30:16.357
Yeah.

00:30:16.357 --> 00:30:19.087
His career as on the, apprentice and stuff like that.

00:30:19.087 --> 00:30:19.448
That's right.

00:30:19.448 --> 00:30:22.357
Relative to a president and the choices that the president has to make.

00:30:22.387 --> 00:30:25.538
And this was this, I think something snapped in Trump.

00:30:25.603 --> 00:30:28.393
Sitting in that audience because he is a narcissist.

00:30:28.442 --> 00:30:28.863
Absolutely.

00:30:28.893 --> 00:30:29.972
Which she said, okay, fine.

00:30:30.242 --> 00:30:30.843
Yeah, fine.

00:30:30.873 --> 00:30:32.853
I will never be accepted by these people.

00:30:33.123 --> 00:30:38.762
So I'm going to get, I'm gonna be president, and when I'm president, I'm gonna dismantle what they've done.

00:30:38.823 --> 00:30:45.097
And this is the difference between, that's why I'm saying this is different and maybe and why this could be good from.

00:30:45.653 --> 00:30:51.817
The perspective of people who were not served by the la, the economics and the geopolitics of the last 30 years, right?

00:30:52.157 --> 00:30:52.538
Is that.

00:30:53.363 --> 00:30:59.482
If you look at what he's trying to do, the significance of Tulsi Gabbard, he, okay.

00:30:59.542 --> 00:31:08.873
Trump literally went to the center last August when during the Democratic Convention he the Democrats were are anointing Kamala.

00:31:09.222 --> 00:31:11.173
He reaches out to RFK Jr.

00:31:11.323 --> 00:31:16.093
Another centrist, democrat, Elon Musk is a centrist Democrat.

00:31:16.173 --> 00:31:20.972
Look at their history, their background, everything they've stood for, everything they supportable for, all the candidates they pay for, okay?

00:31:20.972 --> 00:31:26.903
Tulsi ga from Hawaii, that the Democratic Party in Hawaii is not con is centrist to liberal.

00:31:26.907 --> 00:31:28.468
And that's a deep tradition out there, right?

00:31:28.617 --> 00:31:29.817
She comes up in it.

00:31:30.532 --> 00:31:48.762
He went, he appointed her to be the Director of National Intelligence because the methodology for enforcing American hegemony was to funnel money, billions, ultimately trillions of dollars through U-S-A-I-D to finance.

00:31:49.837 --> 00:31:58.327
In insert Counterinsurgencies that destabilize governments that then we could flood the zone with weapons for the benefit of the military industrial complex.

00:31:58.627 --> 00:31:58.718
Sure.

00:31:58.718 --> 00:32:00.587
And so this is what created all the wars.

00:32:00.587 --> 00:32:01.847
This is what we did in Ukraine.

00:32:02.107 --> 00:32:02.587
Okay.

00:32:02.708 --> 00:32:10.748
He hired Tulsi Gabbard because her claim, the reason why Hillary ran her out of the Democratic party is because she opposes.

00:32:10.758 --> 00:32:11.958
This type of activity.

00:32:12.198 --> 00:32:14.178
She wants to end the forever wars.

00:32:14.357 --> 00:32:14.508
Yeah.

00:32:14.508 --> 00:32:21.988
And so he did, if there's a woman listening to this who's looking for a woman in power who actually comes from that defined feminine, yeah.

00:32:21.992 --> 00:32:25.782
Who's not just trying to emulate Henry Kissinger.

00:32:26.173 --> 00:32:27.067
That's Tulsi Gabbard.

00:32:27.157 --> 00:32:31.593
And he put her in one of the most powerful positions to end our use.

00:32:32.577 --> 00:32:36.748
Our funneling of our treasury to cause these conflicts around the world.

00:32:36.837 --> 00:32:39.417
And that's what she spoke about in her confirmation hearing.

00:32:39.417 --> 00:32:46.228
You can hear all the details and that's why the establishment hates her is because she, this she's trying to cut off the money train.

00:32:46.528 --> 00:32:47.008
Okay.

00:32:47.607 --> 00:32:50.188
Putting R-F-K-H-H-S, right?

00:32:50.188 --> 00:32:50.367
Same thing.

00:32:51.087 --> 00:32:54.867
Both the pharmaceutical industry and big food, right?

00:32:55.018 --> 00:33:02.518
Have the fortunes that they have made while American Health has continued to decline right over decade, after decade.

00:33:02.678 --> 00:33:06.488
COVID proved the magnitude of our unhealthiness.

00:33:06.788 --> 00:33:07.028
Totally.

00:33:07.028 --> 00:33:15.478
Is that 25% of the COVID deaths were because of our co comorbidities when we only have what, less than 5% of the global population?

00:33:15.528 --> 00:33:21.208
Kevin, if anybody ever goes travel anywhere else in the world, you'll see it right away.

00:33:21.448 --> 00:33:25.438
'cause all these reactions we have to foods that we have almost become numb to it.

00:33:25.438 --> 00:33:26.248
That we just take it.

00:33:26.303 --> 00:33:27.232
Oh, that's just the way it is.

00:33:27.232 --> 00:33:29.363
Was it supposed to feel like crap after having a burger?

00:33:29.663 --> 00:33:30.113
No, we're not.

00:33:30.163 --> 00:33:31.393
And you go have a burger.

00:33:31.393 --> 00:33:36.403
I was in Japan in 24 early and I remember I hadn't, I was training for something.

00:33:36.403 --> 00:33:39.163
I had a burger in a while, finally had one after my event.

00:33:39.163 --> 00:33:40.592
And then and then I had one.

00:33:40.592 --> 00:33:41.432
I felt great.

00:33:41.436 --> 00:33:43.176
It was delicious, felt great.

00:33:43.227 --> 00:33:43.767
All this stuff.

00:33:43.767 --> 00:33:45.567
Then I get back to the states.

00:33:45.567 --> 00:33:47.606
I'm at LAX, I see another burger stand.

00:33:47.606 --> 00:33:50.096
It's a fancy gourmet, healthy whatever.

00:33:50.307 --> 00:33:51.297
I eat it and I'm like.

00:33:51.761 --> 00:33:52.961
Dying the rest of the day.

00:33:52.961 --> 00:33:53.922
This is disgusting, yeah.

00:33:54.251 --> 00:33:55.751
So it doesn't take much.

00:33:56.122 --> 00:33:58.251
Just go try and then you gotta start questioning.

00:33:58.251 --> 00:34:00.622
Why is it that the same thing I'm eating here?

00:34:01.866 --> 00:34:04.267
Is not having the impact that I would have back home.

00:34:04.987 --> 00:34:05.616
No, that's right.

00:34:05.616 --> 00:34:06.487
You asked that question.

00:34:06.586 --> 00:34:08.027
It's just, it just blows your mind.

00:34:08.027 --> 00:34:09.797
What do we do in this state, in the states?

00:34:09.856 --> 00:34:11.567
No, this is why it's critical.

00:34:11.567 --> 00:34:13.277
This is at the heart of my book.

00:34:13.306 --> 00:34:21.246
It's critical for us to make, in order for each of us to make decisions that can positively impact our lives.

00:34:21.547 --> 00:34:21.637
Yeah.

00:34:21.637 --> 00:34:27.146
That that, whether it's running our businesses or making our personal choices, we have to know what is true.

00:34:27.146 --> 00:34:27.206
I.

00:34:27.536 --> 00:34:31.916
Yeah, about what we're told so that we can make informed choices.

00:34:32.126 --> 00:34:44.757
What we're being told, the magnitude of the lies that we're being told totally are detached from reality, and they're designed to get us to do things that actually hurt ourselves, including again the food that we eat, right?

00:34:44.757 --> 00:34:47.367
We're getting down to a point where if you don't buy local.

00:34:47.887 --> 00:34:56.867
If you don't, if you don't have any type of relationship with the people who politician your food you need to call them into question whether you're eating poison, and I don't mean like arsenic poisoning.

00:34:56.867 --> 00:35:07.396
The kind of poison that in 10 years now you're, obese and, and suffering from all these co-morbidities that's gonna lead to your death in some other unrelated way, so it, and then how so how do we find a truth, Kevin?

00:35:08.117 --> 00:35:09.197
How do we find a truth?

00:35:09.217 --> 00:35:12.516
The benefit is we live in the age of information.

00:35:12.847 --> 00:35:13.297
Yes.

00:35:13.447 --> 00:35:19.027
And all I'm saying here is everyone has a smart, most people have smartphones, most people have the internet.

00:35:19.626 --> 00:35:21.876
As we, we need to move past.

00:35:22.206 --> 00:35:28.567
This idea of this is a trusted source of information, so I don't have to check, or this is a person and responsibility.

00:35:28.657 --> 00:35:37.956
I don't have to check from now on, make it a practice, if it's going to involve how you make your decisions and the basis by which you make your decisions.

00:35:37.981 --> 00:35:40.501
Verify that it's true simple.

00:35:40.501 --> 00:35:42.422
Google searches start to do this.

00:35:42.612 --> 00:35:45.101
What is the hist, what is the history that led up to this moment?

00:35:45.311 --> 00:35:47.771
Is it true with the advent of ai?

00:35:47.831 --> 00:35:51.882
I had the most fascinating discovery with chat GPT.

00:35:51.936 --> 00:35:56.916
You could use chat, g chat, GPT to verify these stories by asking it the point.

00:35:57.036 --> 00:35:58.027
Is that really true?

00:35:58.206 --> 00:36:03.186
Does the data, the, does the information you have support that statement?

00:36:03.371 --> 00:36:15.021
And take any statement, any classic state, but like Admiral Kirby announcing that South Africa's case of genocide against Israel is baseless and without merit.

00:36:15.081 --> 00:36:19.742
That's what he said as the spokesperson for the National Security Council for President Biden.

00:36:19.771 --> 00:36:19.802
Okay.

00:36:20.617 --> 00:36:26.697
Then the International Court of Justice rules that actually the evidence supports the fact that they are commanding genocide.

00:36:26.697 --> 00:36:28.317
How could it be baseless and without merit?

00:36:28.527 --> 00:36:35.186
So the thing is check there in any way based on your own individual resources.

00:36:35.436 --> 00:36:43.806
If it's a decision that is going to impact your life before you just believe what you were told, make sure it's true, and then adjust.

00:36:43.896 --> 00:36:46.507
Then adjust accordingly and make that a part of your practice.

00:36:46.847 --> 00:36:47.402
Do you now find that?

00:36:48.206 --> 00:36:53.097
A lot of these sources, even Google are bias.

00:36:53.166 --> 00:36:53.407
I Fine.

00:36:53.407 --> 00:36:54.936
No, you're, yeah, you're right.

00:36:54.992 --> 00:36:55.231
You.

00:36:55.291 --> 00:36:56.041
Here's the thing.

00:36:56.492 --> 00:37:00.811
The reason why it's not an easy thing when lying became normal.

00:37:01.141 --> 00:37:06.242
It not it's not easy to find the truth in that respect, but it is easy to find it.

00:37:06.331 --> 00:37:10.711
That's the funny thing about it is the lie, the only way the lie works.

00:37:10.911 --> 00:37:13.702
Is if you simply accept it for what it is, right?

00:37:13.791 --> 00:37:20.121
But the more you triangulate the lie that you're trying to check or the statement that you're trying to check, you are gonna find.

00:37:20.192 --> 00:37:21.992
It's not the same thing as you're being told.

00:37:22.081 --> 00:37:26.791
And that's then and when you just say anything else in your life, you find out, oh.

00:37:27.172 --> 00:37:29.032
That's not how I was told.

00:37:29.061 --> 00:37:30.771
Then you dig a little deeper and you dig a little.

00:37:30.952 --> 00:37:31.342
Okay.

00:37:31.552 --> 00:37:37.382
So in the process of checking what we're told, I know this has been my my, my practice.

00:37:37.532 --> 00:37:38.882
You will Perfect.

00:37:39.032 --> 00:37:40.831
Who actually tells you the truth.

00:37:41.192 --> 00:37:46.202
You'll perfect the process of validating from 12 different sources.

00:37:46.231 --> 00:38:02.157
'cause it the internet and g and AI is that powerful, make that a part of your practice, that is an essential skill until we can change our normal culture to get back to a place where we don't lie to each other as a matter of business as usual.

00:38:02.211 --> 00:38:03.081
And that's the tragedy.

00:38:03.081 --> 00:38:03.922
That's where we are.

00:38:04.132 --> 00:38:07.231
So yeah that, that was how I would recommend Yeah.

00:38:07.291 --> 00:38:09.601
That people do and can figure it out.

00:38:09.661 --> 00:38:12.572
It's no different than, okay, I need to buy a car.

00:38:12.632 --> 00:38:14.731
I have this much in my budget.

00:38:14.967 --> 00:38:16.226
How would you go about doing that?

00:38:16.306 --> 00:38:18.266
They look, they it's the same thing.

00:38:18.266 --> 00:38:25.056
Whatever the story is, do your investigation like you were gonna per make a major purchase and then do what makes sense.

00:38:25.086 --> 00:38:29.677
Once you find out if it's true, and if you find out what it's not true, what is the implications of the person?

00:38:29.677 --> 00:38:35.947
This look in you an eye and telling you something that is so diametrically opposed to what actually happened.

00:38:36.036 --> 00:38:37.356
And that's the war in Ukraine.

00:38:37.717 --> 00:38:37.836
Yeah.

00:38:37.842 --> 00:38:39.612
That that that's genocide and Gaza.

00:38:39.922 --> 00:38:40.072
Yeah.

00:38:40.072 --> 00:38:41.452
That is so many different things.

00:38:42.112 --> 00:38:42.442
Yeah.

00:38:42.992 --> 00:38:46.041
Kevin, I this is the kind of episode I've often thought about.

00:38:46.041 --> 00:38:55.922
I admire my counterparts like Joe Rogan or Lex Friedman who, go on for three hour interview and you're the kind of guest that we would want to have that kind of long form.

00:38:56.436 --> 00:38:59.797
Episode with, but we're not there yet, unfortunately.

00:38:59.797 --> 00:39:00.637
I still have another career.

00:39:00.637 --> 00:39:01.327
Oh yeah, you were my friend.

00:39:01.431 --> 00:39:06.052
So I'm gonna have to shift over to our Wayfinder four questions for now, if that's all right.

00:39:06.711 --> 00:39:08.001
So if you can sure.

00:39:08.001 --> 00:39:11.257
Just give us a hack, a life hack that you use every day.

00:39:12.226 --> 00:39:13.487
You can share with our audience.

00:39:14.206 --> 00:39:15.347
Yeah, absolutely.

00:39:15.347 --> 00:39:18.246
And the thing is I've already given away the lead on this one.

00:39:18.246 --> 00:39:18.547
Yeah.

00:39:18.726 --> 00:39:25.047
The hack that I use, I seriously is I verify the information I'm told before.

00:39:25.106 --> 00:39:27.416
In other words, I'm guided by the truth.

00:39:27.637 --> 00:39:32.527
And it really is a superpower because once you eliminate the false information.

00:39:33.246 --> 00:39:40.086
You one, you're gonna find that most of your competitors, most of the people making the choice, unfortunately, are misguided by the false information.

00:39:40.347 --> 00:39:48.777
Like I said, it is a competitive advantage if you could verify what you're told, make sure it's true, and then make the best decision that you could make based on that information.

00:39:48.896 --> 00:39:48.987
Yeah.

00:39:49.027 --> 00:39:51.157
Organize your life based on that information.

00:39:51.186 --> 00:39:54.016
It is an absolute pack for what's going on.

00:39:54.047 --> 00:39:54.317
Yeah.

00:39:54.706 --> 00:39:55.606
How about a favorite.

00:39:55.927 --> 00:39:59.277
Just a show, podcast, book activity.

00:39:59.277 --> 00:40:00.027
Yeah, whatever.

00:40:00.027 --> 00:40:01.286
You just a favorite thing.

00:40:01.286 --> 00:40:02.277
You like one of my favorites.

00:40:02.336 --> 00:40:02.876
Okay.

00:40:02.981 --> 00:40:03.101
I.

00:40:04.641 --> 00:40:09.802
So many of those, so many of those categories, but based on how this, the flavor of this, I'm gonna shift it up a little bit.

00:40:10.222 --> 00:40:15.552
There's a documentary that that it's, and it's available on, it's available on Netflix.

00:40:15.581 --> 00:40:22.251
And it is done by Sir David Attenborough and it is called a Life on Our Planet.

00:40:23.021 --> 00:40:35.336
And this brings in the climate side of it, and it's an amazing documentary in that it spans David Attenborough's and he released it like October of 2020 during COVID, right?

00:40:35.496 --> 00:40:38.347
It spans his life of bringing the wild.

00:40:39.192 --> 00:40:50.472
Us and he shows how the percentage of the planet that is wild, that is untouched, has diminished over the course of his life to the point where it's getting critically low.

00:40:50.722 --> 00:40:54.032
But he does this to try to demonstrate what impact our modern.

00:40:54.032 --> 00:40:56.251
Modern lifestyle is having on the planet.

00:40:56.911 --> 00:40:59.702
But then he turns around and he talks about the positive.

00:40:59.911 --> 00:41:05.851
He doesn't just leave us with the problem and he takes us to Chernobyl, so I'm not gonna take, I'm not gonna steal the thunder.

00:41:06.152 --> 00:41:08.342
'cause it, it's amazing how he shows this story.

00:41:08.342 --> 00:41:09.121
Yeah, no, we'll check it out.

00:41:09.452 --> 00:41:09.661
Yeah.

00:41:09.661 --> 00:41:10.202
But he, yeah.

00:41:10.202 --> 00:41:11.161
So a life, one.

00:41:11.222 --> 00:41:12.295
A life on the planet.

00:41:12.626 --> 00:41:13.496
Life on our planet.

00:41:13.675 --> 00:41:14.096
Great.

00:41:14.335 --> 00:41:15.076
And excellent.

00:41:15.106 --> 00:41:17.596
How about a piece of advice for our younger self?

00:41:19.471 --> 00:41:25.871
I thought a long time about this question, and the reason why is that my answer is I would not approach my younger self.

00:41:26.081 --> 00:41:30.701
I know I've heard this, people a asked this so many times, but I would not.

00:41:31.255 --> 00:41:40.916
Tell my younger self any of the benefit of the experience that we would have gained had they not met me as my older self.

00:41:41.286 --> 00:41:45.186
'Cause I don't want that younger self to change anything they did.

00:41:45.815 --> 00:41:46.266
Why?

00:41:46.266 --> 00:41:52.175
Because we learned so much from that process and then we would not be who we are today.

00:41:52.235 --> 00:41:55.655
And I want my, the best thing I could do for my younger self, and this is not.

00:41:56.195 --> 00:41:57.666
This is not about ego.

00:41:57.666 --> 00:41:59.795
This is about doing the internal work.

00:42:00.186 --> 00:42:08.056
The best thing I could do for my younger self is allow him to become who we became, that's ultimately an aspiration.

00:42:08.115 --> 00:42:10.280
Now, if I was ashamed of who I am, I.

00:42:11.445 --> 00:42:12.675
This is an easy question.

00:42:12.856 --> 00:42:14.786
No, no, I work hard to be in this space.

00:42:14.815 --> 00:42:15.235
I love that.

00:42:15.240 --> 00:42:17.420
And that's involved in taking some sober looks in the mirror.

00:42:17.721 --> 00:42:18.201
I love that.

00:42:19.201 --> 00:42:24.081
I was listening to an interview with Morgan Housel, who, wrote the ecology of money and he.

00:42:24.481 --> 00:42:28.420
He talked about billionaire he's known a lot of billionaires.

00:42:28.420 --> 00:42:29.141
He studied them.

00:42:29.141 --> 00:42:31.706
He wrote the book on on how they think and everything.

00:42:32.126 --> 00:42:38.706
And he said that there's like an evolution where they all know that they all wanna buy the big house when they made it right.

00:42:38.885 --> 00:42:40.476
And so they go and buy the big house.

00:42:40.840 --> 00:42:43.811
Along that time, they realize that they don't like the big house.

00:42:43.811 --> 00:42:44.621
It's the thing.

00:42:44.621 --> 00:42:47.951
And so then there's another evolution where you go from having a big house to yacht.

00:42:47.951 --> 00:42:52.210
Its all that to then just getting rid of it all and simplifying your life again.

00:42:52.751 --> 00:42:55.630
And the point of that is exactly what you just said.

00:42:55.630 --> 00:42:57.670
There's something to the, they all know it.

00:42:57.860 --> 00:43:00.351
These are some of the smartest well-read people in the world.

00:43:00.780 --> 00:43:02.041
Incredibly successful.

00:43:02.340 --> 00:43:05.400
They know they shouldn't do it, but they have to do it anyways and experience it.

00:43:05.400 --> 00:43:07.291
And I think sometimes you're absolutely right.

00:43:07.291 --> 00:43:10.681
It doesn't matter what advice we get, we know it, but we're not gonna take it.

00:43:10.681 --> 00:43:11.791
We gotta do it ourselves.

00:43:11.851 --> 00:43:12.420
Experience it.

00:43:12.490 --> 00:43:13.240
You gotta go through it.

00:43:13.240 --> 00:43:16.121
You gotta learn the lesson yourself and then you can become what you can be.

00:43:16.331 --> 00:43:16.990
Yes, totally.

00:43:16.990 --> 00:43:17.920
So that's a great answer.

00:43:18.221 --> 00:43:21.670
So last one, how about a big opportunity or a limiting belief?

00:43:23.416 --> 00:43:26.295
Yeah, the, this is a great question.

00:43:26.346 --> 00:43:34.056
And the thing about it is the limiting and the li to identify the limiting belief exposes the big opportunity.

00:43:34.775 --> 00:43:36.365
So what's the limiting belief?

00:43:37.146 --> 00:43:41.976
I believe that the virtues values and.

00:43:42.335 --> 00:43:46.666
Narratives of our culture in the United States specifically.

00:43:46.695 --> 00:43:48.826
'cause this is the culture I know right.

00:43:49.215 --> 00:43:53.715
Have effectively obscured us from who we are.

00:43:54.545 --> 00:44:00.635
When you think of independence, freedom, self-interest, competition.

00:44:01.380 --> 00:44:15.001
As the measuring sticks for building a successful life, these are at the core of what it is to be an American, the problem is that those four virtues, particularly how they have been expressed over the last 40, 50 years, right?

00:44:16.170 --> 00:44:20.311
They convince us of things that are simply not true based on our lived experience.

00:44:20.940 --> 00:44:31.650
So the limited the limiting belief is that I can advance my interests without considering Louie that I that what is better for me and my family.

00:44:32.130 --> 00:44:42.090
Notwithstanding what that does to louisie is fine as long as we both do this fear and square right, when in fact I don't survive.

00:44:42.780 --> 00:44:47.460
Without your contribution and the contributions of thousands of people, I will never know.

00:44:47.940 --> 00:44:49.681
I don't produce the food that I eat.

00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:51.420
I don't produce the clothes that I wear.

00:44:51.420 --> 00:44:53.190
I don't produce the air that I breathe.

00:44:53.521 --> 00:45:00.061
I don't produce this technology that allows us to talk right by convincing me of my independence.

00:45:01.036 --> 00:45:06.346
And that I can advance my own, I can actually benefit from only thinking about myself and my interests.

00:45:06.556 --> 00:45:11.115
It obscures the fact that I am a part, we are interdependent on each other.

00:45:11.175 --> 00:45:11.985
Not codependent.

00:45:12.286 --> 00:45:12.376
Yeah.

00:45:12.436 --> 00:45:13.275
Interdependent.

00:45:13.666 --> 00:45:21.596
There's a symbiotic relationship between me and you and my friend and us and the rest of society and us and the, in the natural environment that sustains us.

00:45:21.686 --> 00:45:23.456
And by ignoring that.

00:45:24.001 --> 00:45:25.590
It induces us to do what?

00:45:25.831 --> 00:45:27.300
Create the climate crisis.

00:45:27.510 --> 00:45:30.181
It induces us to create wealth and income inequality.

00:45:30.181 --> 00:45:30.240
Yeah.

00:45:30.481 --> 00:45:35.170
It induces us to create all these challenges, existential now challenges.

00:45:35.291 --> 00:45:41.471
And until we remember the big opportunity is remembering that we are interdependent and that's our strength.

00:45:41.800 --> 00:45:44.771
This is how we defeated the dinosaurs because we cooperated.

00:45:44.990 --> 00:45:49.670
This is how you know, okay, by, this is the superpower opportunity.

00:45:49.940 --> 00:45:51.471
We need to remember who we are.

00:45:51.635 --> 00:45:54.186
We are interdependent and that's a good thing.

00:45:54.635 --> 00:45:58.210
Nothing in nature lives independently.

00:46:00.451 --> 00:46:03.141
Man, I absolutely love that answer.

00:46:03.170 --> 00:46:03.650
It is.

00:46:03.681 --> 00:46:09.440
We can have a whole episode just on that and I have some questions around some of that for,'cause I know you write a lot about that too.

00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:14.900
And I'm a kind of, it just means we gotta have another episode'cause that was Hey, I'm all for it Louis.

00:46:14.900 --> 00:46:15.710
I'm all for it.

00:46:15.710 --> 00:46:18.530
Particularly if you wanna do the rogue and ask and go for it, we can do that.

00:46:18.561 --> 00:46:19.431
Oh man.

00:46:19.431 --> 00:46:19.760
Yeah.

00:46:20.661 --> 00:46:21.860
I got a car ride a lot of times.

00:46:22.101 --> 00:46:22.670
That's right.

00:46:22.670 --> 00:46:24.471
Joe doesn't have to have all the fun.

00:46:24.650 --> 00:46:25.251
That's right.

00:46:25.251 --> 00:46:25.760
That's right.

00:46:26.510 --> 00:46:28.460
Man, that was so profound.

00:46:28.490 --> 00:46:34.190
I, first of all, I gotta say just the way you started that, to identify the limiting belief, I.

00:46:34.655 --> 00:46:37.115
Exposes are big opportunities.

00:46:37.925 --> 00:46:39.096
I wrote that down.

00:46:39.096 --> 00:46:40.925
I am probably gonna, that is so deep.

00:46:40.985 --> 00:46:43.356
And that's actually why I asked that question together.

00:46:43.596 --> 00:46:47.766
I've just never been able to synthesize it the way you did in that statement.

00:46:47.815 --> 00:46:48.596
That is beautiful.

00:46:48.596 --> 00:46:59.175
And I thank you for that and then, the whole point about interdependence versus competition, I think, our listeners know I'm a marathon runner and I'm a competitive guy.

00:46:59.206 --> 00:47:00.885
I like to consider myself a competitive guy.

00:47:01.186 --> 00:47:03.965
But, ask anybody who really likes running marathons.

00:47:03.965 --> 00:47:05.735
First of all, they're probably a little sick in the head, right?

00:47:05.735 --> 00:47:06.606
It's not really joyful.

00:47:06.911 --> 00:47:08.050
But how do you get through it?

00:47:08.300 --> 00:47:09.471
At first you train hard.

00:47:09.471 --> 00:47:10.971
First of all, there's a lot of teammates with that.

00:47:10.971 --> 00:47:11.780
We all love each other.

00:47:11.780 --> 00:47:12.771
We support each other.

00:47:12.771 --> 00:47:13.251
All that.

00:47:13.251 --> 00:47:15.561
It's like we really feel great for each other.

00:47:15.561 --> 00:47:17.161
When I feel so happy.

00:47:17.490 --> 00:47:19.891
I'm getting chills just thinking about my teammates.

00:47:19.891 --> 00:47:19.951
Yeah.

00:47:20.161 --> 00:47:23.880
When they run and they get a PR and all that, just as much as my own right.

00:47:24.490 --> 00:47:31.791
But oftentimes a lot of us, we've talked about on our runs, how at the end what gets you through the end, like past the big wall.

00:47:31.791 --> 00:47:31.851
Yeah.

00:47:32.331 --> 00:47:38.331
It's seeing that person that's right there struggling next to you and grabbing them and saying, come on, let's get there together.

00:47:38.331 --> 00:47:39.021
We can do this.

00:47:39.021 --> 00:47:43.476
And you get there and at the end it's just like this bond that's just, and you did it and.

00:47:44.061 --> 00:47:45.320
There's no competition there.

00:47:45.351 --> 00:47:54.530
It's a, it's an interdependent ness getting there to the end, and it is way, way more satisfying, a much better feeling than winning that race.

00:47:54.650 --> 00:47:57.891
I think, and I've heard this from people who win races, right?

00:47:58.101 --> 00:47:58.161
Yeah.

00:47:58.161 --> 00:48:01.791
Mev K Kki, who was one of America's best runners.

00:48:01.791 --> 00:48:03.351
He talked about it in one of his books.

00:48:03.780 --> 00:48:04.530
It is a.

00:48:04.826 --> 00:48:11.396
It is a real trait that we don't push in our society, but makes us feel incredibly good.

00:48:11.726 --> 00:48:13.525
So I thank you for bringing that up.

00:48:13.525 --> 00:48:16.476
That is a very profound thought, I appreciate that, Louis.

00:48:16.476 --> 00:48:21.380
And I just wanna say as it relates to each of those virtues, it's not like there's no application.

00:48:21.630 --> 00:48:36.951
It's just that the way we apply them, so in the case of competition is survival technique of course, and appropriately so in a context where there's not enough for me and you, the best way for us is to compete in order to get, as opposed to just brute force.

00:48:37.010 --> 00:48:37.431
Okay.

00:48:37.550 --> 00:48:37.760
Yeah.

00:48:37.851 --> 00:48:42.650
But when there is enough for both of us, this should not be the means by which people access healthcare.

00:48:42.831 --> 00:48:42.891
Yeah.

00:48:42.891 --> 00:48:47.420
This should not be the means by which people access food, otherwise it becomes a blood sport.

00:48:47.425 --> 00:48:53.155
That's what we have in America where most of the it is us versus them haves versus haves, nots.

00:48:53.246 --> 00:48:55.706
And yet the have-nots are essential.

00:48:55.856 --> 00:48:57.356
Didn't we learn that during COVID?

00:48:57.536 --> 00:48:57.775
Totally.

00:48:57.775 --> 00:49:00.326
The lowest paid people in our society are the essential world.

00:49:00.775 --> 00:49:01.675
That's insane.

00:49:01.916 --> 00:49:02.246
It is.

00:49:02.300 --> 00:49:03.860
So this is how we defeat ourselves.

00:49:03.860 --> 00:49:06.590
This is a misapplication of an otherwise good concept.

00:49:06.800 --> 00:49:06.920
Yeah.

00:49:06.971 --> 00:49:09.791
And so yeah, it's about finding that, that balance my friend.

00:49:10.561 --> 00:49:15.510
So Kevin, if people wanna know more about you, find your essays, where can they find you?

00:49:16.465 --> 00:49:17.065
Absolutely.

00:49:17.065 --> 00:49:18.025
Thank you for asking.

00:49:18.365 --> 00:49:29.135
On my website is www onward@last.com, O-N-W-A-R-D-A-T-L-A-S t.com.

00:49:29.646 --> 00:49:37.440
And on there you'll not only get a preview of my book onward at last, it's not, and it's coming in, it's in hardcover, paperback.

00:49:37.740 --> 00:49:43.621
Ebook and the audio book by this wonderful actress Carol and Jania and stuff like that.

00:49:43.621 --> 00:49:48.900
But if you can't afford to buy the book, the commentaries are available in the blog tab.

00:49:49.320 --> 00:49:49.621
Okay?

00:49:49.951 --> 00:49:56.221
All of them are available for the blog tab, the Universal one, this blog, and it's right there on the same website.

00:49:56.501 --> 00:50:02.110
But yeah, the purchase links are there if you wanna purchase the book or purchase a version, or if you just want to access the commentaries.

00:50:02.110 --> 00:50:02.530
That's it.

00:50:02.996 --> 00:50:03.385
Awesome.

00:50:03.846 --> 00:50:15.815
Kevin, I was a little nervous about this one'cause like I said, I haven't gotten into any political, quote unquote controversial stuff, but I, this has been a lot of fun and it's been something I wanted to move into a little bit more just to get people to think.

00:50:15.905 --> 00:50:22.266
And I thank you for helping me go in this direction and making it comfortable, and I hope people really enjoy it.

00:50:22.266 --> 00:50:27.306
And they go think and they check out your stuff and think on a deeper level about, what the truth is.

00:50:27.710 --> 00:50:30.380
Lou, thank you so much for a thoughtful conversation.

00:50:30.380 --> 00:50:30.710
Yes.

00:50:30.760 --> 00:50:35.811
We, the thing about third rails is you could, if your heart centered with your approach Yeah.

00:50:35.840 --> 00:50:36.951
You could touch the third rail.

00:50:37.010 --> 00:50:37.581
It's gonna be all right.

00:50:38.300 --> 00:50:39.471
And I think we did okay today.

00:50:39.800 --> 00:50:40.130
Yeah.

00:50:40.400 --> 00:50:40.670
Thank.

00:50:46.367 --> 00:50:48.137
We hope you've enjoyed the Wayfinder Show.

00:50:48.226 --> 00:50:52.456
If you've got value from this episode, please take a few seconds to leave us a five star rating and review.

00:50:52.757 --> 00:50:57.016
This will allow us to help more people find their way to live more authentic and exciting lives.

00:50:57.706 --> 00:50:58.936
We'll catch you on the next episode.